What would you do? Poll.

[Brian Storm]

How do you know? If its paper talk then you're as delusional as you are accusing others

It's called logic, people who know football can tell when a story has legs, we chased him throughout jan and made him our first signing the following window. It's common sense.

Sam has signed his fair share of flops, folk seem to think because of that good Jan window out of Sam that everything he touches turns to gold. Not the case. There is nothing to surgest Sam would be getting more out of Papy. He could just as easy destined to be a flop whoever is in charge. Chelsea bought him and let him go first chance. What does that tell you? That the lad has major flaws that hasn't been picked up on by scouts. Sometimes it's just the way it goes.

 

[John Cardew]

Without looking at the figures I'd wager Sunderland have spent more than Swansea, Hull, West Brom, Boro, Burnley, Bournemouth, Stoke, Palace, Watford, Leicester since Short took over. Maybe even Southampton, Everton and Spurs would have a lower net spend. Blaming your owner is unfounded, he's poured money into the club.
Moyes was a perfect fit at Everton and has looked an incompetent buffoon everywhere else he's been. I mean FFS he turned you down last season because he didn't believe he could keep you up, what does that tell you?

 

[flandersmackem]

It's called logic, people who know football can tell when a story has legs, we chased him throughout jan and made him our first signing the following window. It's common sense.

Sam has signed his fair share of flops, folk seem to think because of that good Jan window out of Sam that everything he touches turns to gold. Not the case. There is nothing to surgest Sam would be getting more out of Papy. He could just as easy destined to be a flop whoever is in charge. Chelsea bought him and let him go first chance. What does that tell you? That the lad has major flaws that hasn't been picked up on by scouts. Sometimes it's just the way it goes.

And thats you're "Logic" to say we were in for him during the Sam era'........Sorry you need more than that to convince anyone. Before You go off on another flight of fantasy, My brother works a journalist in football. I can give you a load of examples of paper talk where managers are "looking" at players. All complete false. It fills column inches and makes money for the journalist and the manager in question. That is a fact.

 

[Brian Storm]

Not saying Moyes is the man for us, I'm saying the problem is far greater than a new managers first 10 games of form. lets not forget he's only lost 1 more than Sam at this stage of his Sunderland career and we've dropped 6 points from individual errors. The problem is far greater than Moyes. This club can't fixed with a new manager imo, crack papering as per. We can't do anything. Because the problem owns the club.

 

[Brian Storm]

Without looking at the figures I'd wager Sunderland have spent more than Swansea, Hull, West Brom, Boro, Burnley, Bournemouth, Stoke, Palace, Watford, Leicester since Short took over. Maybe even Southampton, Everton and Spurs would have a lower net spend. Blaming your owner is unfounded, he's poured money into the club.
Moyes was a perfect fit at Everton and has looked an incompetent buffoon everywhere else he's been. I mean FFS he turned you down last season because he didn't believe he could keep you up, what does that tell you?

It's more than how much he's spent, it's how it's been spent and how he's ran the club.

 

[John Cardew]

It's more than how much he's spent, it's how it's been spent and how he's ran the club.

That's fair and a separate point, however I can't see how the owner can be blamed for how money is spent, he provides the cash and scouts/managers/whoever sign the players.
What issue do you have with the way he's run the club? Compared to Ashley he seems like an angel tbh.

 

[Brian Storm]

And thats you're "Logic" to say we were in for him during the Sam era'........Sorry you need more than that to convince anyone. Before You go off on another flight of fantasy, My brother works a journalist in football. I can give you a load of examples of paper talk where managers are "looking" at players. All complete false. It fills column inches and makes money for the journalist and the manager in question. That is a fact.

Ok every bodies spokes person.

I've written for fanzines with a couple of Journalists, journalists who cover Sunderland. Believe what you want. I know we were in for him.

 

[flandersmackem]

Not saying Moyes is the man for us, I'm saying the problem is far greater than a new managers first 10 games of form. lets not forget he's only lost 1 more than Sam at this stage of his Sunderland career and we've dropped 6 points from individual errors. The problem is far greater than Moyes. This club can't fixed with a new manager imo, crack papering as per. We can't do anything. Because the problem owns the club.

Now that..... I agree with. And he can take Moyes with him.

 

[Brian Storm]

That's fair and a separate point, however I can't see how the owner can be blamed for how money is spent, he provides the cash and scouts/managers/whoever sign the players.
What issue do you have with the way he's run the club? Compared to Ashley he seems like an angel tbh.

Spending 20m a season soon mounts up. But what about the season's where 30 or 40m of investment is what was needed for our situation? That's what I mean by how it's spent. No adaquately funding at the right times. The last 5 managers all echoed this sentiment.

Manager turn over and lack of adequate investment in the playing squad is how he's running it badly. Half a decade of knock on effect.

 

[Brian Storm]

Now that..... I agree with. And he can take Moyes with him.

I'd be happy with that. We can do better than Moyes, but it doesn't matter who we get, they all get the impossible job. Not keeping us up, but be given the time and resources to build a decent squad.

 

[John Cardew]

Spending 20m a season soon mounts up. But what about the season's where 30 or 40m of investment is what was needed for our situation? That's what I mean by how it's spent. No adaquately funding at the right times. The last 5 managers all echoed this sentiment.

Manager turn over and lack of adequate investment in the playing squad is how he's running it badly. Half a decade of knock on effect.

I agree he's left you short at times, but still other clubs have also failed to spend 30/40million and don't find themselves on 2 points after 10 games. Some of it has to be down to bad management. A good manager would get the best out of what he has. How many of Burnley or Hull or Bournemouth's team would you put in Sunderland's? Not more than half I'd bet.

 

[flandersmackem]

Ok every bodies spokes person.

I've written for fanzines with a couple of Journalists, journalists who cover Sunderland. Believe what you want. I know we were in for him.

I'm not the one "STATING" crap about us in for players where there is no real evidence (I take it you have some) I certainly do not purport to be a spokesman for anyone....what I do have is my own opinion. What I am not, is some wannabe "in the know"
Fortunately I have a life outside of SAFC and certainly this forum....I don;t pour over stats and try and ram my opinions down the throat of people who read stuff on here like I am the last word on whats going on at the club. As for this conversation, I am done.....I am bored now.

 

[Brian Storm]

I'm not the one "STATING" crap about us in for players where there is no real evidence (I take it you have some) I certainly do not purport to be a spokesman for anyone....what I do have is my own opinion. What I am not, is some wannabe "in the know"
Fortunately I have a life outside of SAFC and certainly this forum....I don;t pour over stats and try and ram my opinions down the throat of people who read stuff on here like I am the last word on whats going on at the club. As for this conversation, I am done.....I am bored now.

Could you fit any more personal digs into your post there? I have a life outside this forum, i've barely posted in the last two month. I don't pretend to be in the know, when I'm in the know I'm in the know. I've told everybody on this forum the colours of the last two away kits prior to it's release I'm that in the dark. Conversation over never had you down for this type of person. Don't even talk to me. Not interested in anything you've got to say.

 

[DEREK ROY HENDERSON]

Watching the player's body language I get the distinct impression that they have no confidence in DM's tactics and do not want to play for him. I myself find myself rather confused by his plan and his substitutions and feel that if we continue inviting teams onto us then we will never get points. If this is the case then I think we will have to get rid of him before it is too late. However, I think it is high time the club came out and gave the fans some form of explanation for our continuing poor displays season in season out. Surely not all our managers have been total washouts.

 

[clockstander]

The lad might come good yet, one never knows, the whole team from back to front looks a shambles at the moment and I feel sorry for the young players being asked to do too much too soon, including Papy.

 

[rooch 3]

Could you fit any more personal digs into your post there? I have a life outside this forum, i've barely posted in the last two month. I don't pretend to be in the know, when I'm in the know I'm in the know. I've told everybody on this forum the colours of the last two away kits prior to it's release I'm that in the dark. Conversation over never had you down for this type of person. Don't even talk to me. Not interested in anything you've got to say.

F ucking hell mate you will have nobody to talk to before long.

 

[master-simpson]

Moyes out but only if we can get Sam back.

If not let DM take us down and rebuild in championship.

Fecking totally sick of this sh7te - if not for England we'd be sitting top 10 now.

How fecking S h I t is that!!

Bart

 

[safcycharlie]

10 games in and it's panic panic panic on here. Been the same for the last 4 years. Keep Moyes and at least it won't cost millions to replace him. Will also give us the opportunity for the first time in years to give someone the time to get it right. If it doesn't work then all the doom and gloom merchants will be right. If he does turn it around those same people will be jumping up and down claiming its a new dawn and the future is bright. I wonder how they would be if we brought in pep and he had the same record after 10 games

 

[Sunderlad]

Bournemouth v Sunderland - 1pt

Sunderland v Hull - 3pts

(In RED what I think we will get).

I think that if we get defeated by Hull at home he will be gone (should walk on his own accord) as that would be a disgraceful record. However if he gets 6pts from those two games people will be waving flags in the streets. Football is very, very fickle.

 

[Brian Storm]

F ucking hell mate you will have nobody to talk to before long.

I've got loads of people to talk to. As result I don't need to give people time of day who cast aspersions on my personal life and how I spend my time..