The EU debate - Part III

[Tobes]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37787008

"I was talking to my daughter [in Polish], we were joking and laughing. A man passed and said 'if you are in England you have to talk in English... otherwise you go back to your country',"

"I said to that guy, 'I am talking with my child, so I will talk to my child in my language. And this is also my country, and I have equal rights here'."
The man, she says, answered in reply: "You don't have any rights here any more."

"[Polish people] were prepared to come here, work hard and be normal members of society," she says. "We are very easy to integrate and we are very pleased to integrate with Brits. But Brits don't want to integrate with us.
"They think we are invaders, that we want to take something from them.
"No," she says emphatically, "we don't want to take, we want to give."

Post Brexit Britain

Rule Britannia

 

[Tobes]

British Gvt wins Brexit challenge case in Northern Ireland.

No definitive judgement given as yet.

It'll be interesting to see if the English courts agree. Whichever way, I suspect this will end up in front of the Supreme Court.

Not sure of the impact of that as they were claiming they should have been able to overturn it at Stormont

 

[NSIS]

How could a court go against the will of the people, that will take one brave judge

It's not going against the will of the people, as I've clearly explained before!..

It's a question of constitutional law over what's called Royal perogative. The Gvt asserted that May has it as PM and leader of the Gvt. The challenge says, no she doesn't, it belongs only to parliament and The Queen.

It will almost certainly be appealed to The Supreme Court for a final ruling.

 

[Tobes]

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I don't know about you lads, but I'm ****ing impressed with this

The ex council 1970's desk is a lovely piece of shabby chic.

The curtain crumpled up on the desk with a tangle of wires is a lovely touch.

 

[Blueman]

If you say so, Kustard. Your Brummie underworld slang is as foreign to me as English is to you. No doubt your diet of Fray Bentos and Carling has turned you into the local strongman.

Spelling and grammar aside, he has a point. You do tend to be the scared little butt plug for other posters. A bit confused as to why you voted out and then attack brexit at every turn.

 

[PowerSpurs]

How could a court go against the will of the people, that will take one brave judge

A judge's role is to interpret the Law, nothing more nothing less. The referendum result didn't change any laws because Parliament didn't enact the Act that enabled the referendum in that way. So post referendum people (including the Govt) are still constrained by the same laws that applied before it.
This could have been avoided if the Govt had been competent in drafting the Act......

 

[Treble]

racism
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
"theories of racism"

• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Dictionary definition

Ofcourse it's racism and it's a stone's throw from all out fascism if you gave these people the power to put in practise what they believe.

How does anyone think the Nazi party could convince an entire German nation to hate and persecute the jews? Wrap it up in the facade of a respectable arguent and feed it to the ignorant masses to prey upon their fear of the unknown and the lowest form of human nature (ie. to blame others for your own misfortunes) and you will find support for it. And some of the posters know this all too well. The slick spin merchants at the top (the likes of @petersaxton and @ZLATAN ) but far more importantly the ignorant masses like @God's Cock who follow like ******ed sheep because they're either too ignorant or too afraid to do anything else.

If you want to see the face of every racist on this board, whether it's Pete, Zlatan, God's Cock or Bow4fowler in all their different guises and their underlying rainbow of bigotry then watch this.

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Look around the table, you'll see all have a different approach to the "problem" and some seem more "rational" than others, much like Pete, Zlatan and Co who all like to show themselves as respectable, but don't let that fool you, they're all fascists - like the people around this table.

Respectable racism. Go around the table in those videos and guess which one Pete, Zlatan, God's Cock and Bow4fowler is

 

[Stan]

A judges role is to interpret the Law, nothing more nothing less. The referendum result didn't change any laws because Parliament didn't enact the Act that enabled the referendum in that way. So post referendum people (including the Govt) are still constrained by the same laws that applied before it.
This could have been avoided if the Govt had been competent in drafting the Act......

Kustard's view of your post

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[The Prime Minister]

Tobes place of work.

Stig of the dump

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[Tobes]

Tobes place of work.

Stig of the dump

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Where's the Oak boardroom table?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Spelling and grammar aside, he has a point. You do tend to be the scared little butt plug for other posters. A bit confused as to why you voted out and then attack brexit at every turn.

He has no point. I'm sure you've asked me this before though it might have been Armchair. I'm critical of the way Brexit has been handled by May & Co. At the time of voting it was a close call for me but ultimately I voted out because it does/did have some potential benefits and may benefit me personally if house prices drop a bit. I wasn't expecting Cameron to go and I certainly wasn't expecting the 'stop immigration at all costs' mentality from the government, which I still don't think will happen, but it's quite worrying that it could.

What I dislike more than any of that is that it gives a voice to an odious minority of morons/xenophobes to peddle anti-immigrant and often racist/xenophobic nonsense. As much as some posters will argue that it's not caused any actual increase in racist incidents, it clearly has and it's becoming increasingly normal. I don't like the idea of us heading the way of France where Jewish people are at risk daily for being Jewish.

 

[NSIS]

He has no point. I'm sure you've asked me this before though it might have been Armchair. I'm critical of the way Brexit has been handled by May & Co. At the time of voting it was a close call for me but ultimately I voted out because it does/did have some potential benefits and may benefit me personally if house prices drop a bit. I wasn't expecting Cameron to go and I certainly wasn't expecting the 'stop immigration at all costs' mentality from the government, which I still don't think will happen, but it's quite worrying that it could.

What I dislike more than any of that is that it gives a voice to an odious minority of morons/xenophobes to peddle anti-immigrant and often racist/xenophobic nonsense. As much as some posters will argue that it's not caused any actual increase in racist incidents, it clearly has and it's becoming increasingly normal. I don't like the idea of us heading the way of France where Jewish people are at risk daily for being Jewish.

I suppose, in hindsight, this was always going to be one of the upshots of this vote.

It's given what they see as a legitimate voice to all the racists and bigots who've been hiding behind their net curtains and tut-tutting away to themselves as a foreigner, or somebody with darker skin than theirs walks past.

Now this vote has emboldened many of them and they feel brave enough to come out into the open, to the extent of insulting foreigners and those of a darker hue openly in the street.

As you say, a worrying development!...

 

[The Prime Minister]

He has no point. I'm sure you've asked me this before though it might have been Armchair. I'm critical of the way Brexit has been handled by May & Co.

Did you read the voting slip?

 

[The Prime Minister]

He it is again, now read is slowly so you all understand the question

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[steveninaster1]

He is is again, now red is slowly so you all understand the question

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There is no he and it's not red (even slowly red if that is a thing).

Is there some small print that I'm missing?

 

[pieguts]

I have no desire to be proved right.

As being proved right would mean that my business would suffer significantly and thus my income.

I'd also have to cut my costs, which would inevitably mean people losing their jobs.

Everyone is 'cracking on with it' just because we can see what's round the corner if hard brexit becomes a reality doesn't somehow translate to not maximising the current market opportunities. My business hasn't been affected at all so far, but my 2017 financial plans will reflect a decreased market prediction, and my plans are mirrored across the sector I trade in.

I know we are only a small selection of people, unknown to each other beyond usernames, on a football forum and sitting on both sides of the EU debate, but at times I read some of the comments and have a mental picture of individuals running round in circles, whilst screaming and typing "I told you, I told you" trying to prove that today's sensationalist headline is a point proved.

 

[NSIS]

He is is again, now red is slowly so you all understand the question

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Very interesting!...

It, however, does not specify under what terms we may leave the EU. That has still to be negotiated and agreed by parliament.

 

[NSIS]

I know we are only a small selection of people, unknown to each other beyond usernames, on a football forum and sitting on both sides of the EU debate, but at times I read some of the comments and have a mental picture of individuals running round in circles, whilst screaming and typing "I told you, I told you" trying to prove that today's sensationalist headline is a point proved.

There's nothing sensationalist about what I've posted, personally. Just plain facts about what is happening and what is almost certainly going to happen.

If some want to ignore the stats and shout scaremongering, that's their own perogative.

 

[Stan]

He is is again, now red is slowly so you all understand the question

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Can someone please translate this from Brummie Pidgin into English. Thanks.

 

[The Prime Minister]

Very interesting!...

It, however, does not specify under what terms we may leave the EU. That has still to be negotiated and agreed by parliament.

It clearly says leave the EU, not leave a bit of it but keep some of it.

Its all black and white. Stay in or leave.