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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
Give Karius time before we judge. Can anyone recall de Gea's first season?

There was a point in the game against WBA that I thought 'that's why he's being given a chance'....ball played back to him and he played an inch perfect ball into the channel for Milner to run onto. From backpass to attack in one pass. We've needed exactly that for an age now.
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I agree he needs time. Just saying on current showing he looks bad.

With De Gea i always rated him but he still has the same issues he had when he first came, mainly he's not that commanding (he's better at it now). He was always a good shot stopper but now he's turned into a worldie at saving shots and has a present about him in 1 on 1s.
 
BobbyD said:
which part is wrong?

I've only watched his last 2 matches but he's providing lots of excitement when hes on the ball or when a cross comes in as i can expect something surprising to happen.

Mignolet is pretty similar but he has gotten much better at punching the ball and at least clearing it properly although it's clear that he isn't good enough for a title challenging team.

Karius on the other hand passed the ball straight to pogba but luckily ibra is old and lazy and didnt get back on side. He also proceeded in that game to flap the ball onto ibras head and just generally looks like a rabbit in headlights.

Even against brom all thoses crosses weren't claimed by karius and surprise surprise another set piece goal goes in.

His distribution has been no better than Mingers. That's not to say he can't improve, but on show so far he's been more useless than minger. At least minger provides a wonder save every now and again
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The problem is (not exactly a problem for the team), he hasn't had an opportunity to make a save, we have been mostly dominant in the games he has played in, the goals he has conceded, he didnt have a chance, the chances he has coughed up haven't resulted in a goal, its a strange situtation, he needs to prove him self
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
To be fair, Karius has been very shaky, especially when it comes to crosses.

Don't agree about his ability on the ball. He's far superior to Migs who couldn't control a ball let alone kick it.

And he's not really had a chance to make any saves.
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Sums up my opinion really, he hasn't been really tested in a shot stopping capacity, the goals we have conceded, he has had no chance with. Fortunately non of his errors have cost us a goal, if we had conceded every time he coughed up a chance, i think opinion would be more against him. Whats the saying "its better to be lucky than good"?
 
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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
Give Karius time before we judge. Can anyone recall de Gea's first season?

There was a point in the game against WBA that I thought 'that's why he's being given a chance'....ball played back to him and he played an inch perfect ball into the channel for Milner to run onto. From backpass to attack in one pass. We've needed exactly that for an age now.
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That ans the few times he caught the ball and ran to the edge of the box and rollled out to a player to get on attack. That's where his strength is. Crossing he's just s bad as mugs and we've not seen him save anything yet as haven't needed to.

Said I'd on the day, if he'd pulled off 5 saves before we'd have conceded from the corner, no one would be as critical.
 
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BobbyD said:
I agree he needs time. Just saying on current showing he looks bad.

With De Gea i always rated him but he still has the same issues he had when he first came, mainly he's not that commanding (he's better at it now). He was always a good shot stopper but now he's turned into a worldie at saving shots and has a present about him in 1 on 1s.
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I, and a few others, have been saying this since his first couple of games, but we've been condemned as traitors for not being unquestioningly loyal despite the evidence of our eyes. :)
My loyalty is to the club, not individual players, so if I see a flaw I'll say so.
I'm not writing him off, I'm not saying dump him - just that so far he's been disappointing because we were expecting an immediate and significant upgrade on Mig and we haven't got it yet.
To be fair to Karius, I can't remember him having the opportunity to make a decent save yet, so we still don't know about his shot-stopping ability.
 
saintKlopp said:
I, and a few others, have been saying this since his first couple of games, but we've been condemned as traitors for not being unquestioningly loyal despite the evidence of our eyes. :)
My loyalty is to the club, not individual players, so if I see a flaw I'll say so.
I'm not writing him off, I'm not saying dump him - just that so far he's been disappointing because we were expecting an immediate and significant upgrade on Mig and we haven't got it yet.
To be fair to Karius, I can't remember him having the opportunity to make a decent save yet, so we still don't know about his shot-stopping ability.
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You've mentioned all of the above a few times now.<whistle>
 
Karius certainly needs and deserves time. I'm not convinced by the early signs at all though.
 
Jurgen said:
Karius certainly needs and deserves time. I'm not convinced by the early signs at all though.
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Klopp has spoken 100% now so theres no point any more debate on one starting v other.

As of now the lad better have the balls to pick himself up and keep going when he flogs one.. its coming.

I remember westerveld could play for 10 games perfect then go make one error and then couldnt kick catch or punch for rest of game.. just even one poor clearig kick and he was done.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Klopp has spoken 100% now so theres no point any more debate on one starting v other.

As of now the lad better have the balls to pick himself up and keep going when he flogs one.. its coming.

I remember westerveld could play for 10 games perfect then go make one error and then couldnt kick catch or punch for rest of game.. just even one poor clearig kick and he was done.
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Klopp's comments suggest he's giving Karius the De Gea treatment; rusty start but time will see him come good. Only time will tell.

What we do know is Migs' time is up.
 
Jurgen said:
Klopp's comments suggest he's giving Karius the De Gea treatment; rusty start but time will see him come good. Only time will tell.

What we do know is Migs' time is up.
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Probably.

He signed a 5 year deal and what 8 months? Later he is a sub.

He has to say **** this or dig in and wait to be told to go but it zounds like itd take a monumental set of **** ups for him to get a start in the league.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Probably.

He signed a 5 year deal and what 8 months? Later he is a sub.

He has to say **** this or dig in and wait to be told to go but it zounds like itd take a monumental set of **** ups for him to get a start in the league.
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It was clear Klopp wanted a replacement. If it turns out Karius doesn't make the grade, we'll be looking again.
I thought the new contract was just to keep Mig's price up.
 
saintKlopp said:
It was clear Klopp wanted a replacement. If it turns out Karius doesn't make the grade, we'll be looking again.
I thought the new contract was just to keep Mig's price up.
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Can't see us replacing Karius any time soon. Earliest he'll move on (should he prove to be ****) will be summer of 2018 imo
 
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