http://news.sky.com/story/eu-criminals-facing-deportation-and-uk-ban-for-up-to-10-years-10605190
Something good to come out of Brexit.
Something good to come out of Brexit.
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Presumably we can expect a few of our home grown criminals to be on their way back here in return. Will the Costa Del Sol be getting a clear out, I wonder?
I am not trawling through all of this . Am I not right in thinking that although the public voted for Brexit , it has to be ratified by a vote in the commons ?
Not saying it will change , just curious .
Not saying it will change , just curious .
Really doesn't make sense to try to limit immigration like that. I mean, sure have some reasonable limits on total number coming in, and do background checks to make sure you don't have any criminals. And boot out the ones who keep committing crimes, even if minor. That's all good.
But the rest is just stupid. Yeah, let's have the government try and micromanage the labor supply. If immigrants are going to halfway decent schools and want to compete in the job market, let them. You're essentially taking the hardest workers and best brains from everywhere else and making them work for you.
It's like taking out a loan to buy a car and just going to the nearest bank and/or dealer and taking what is offered. Why would you not shop around?
Citizenship does not entitle you to a job.
But the rest is just stupid. Yeah, let's have the government try and micromanage the labor supply. If immigrants are going to halfway decent schools and want to compete in the job market, let them. You're essentially taking the hardest workers and best brains from everywhere else and making them work for you.
It's like taking out a loan to buy a car and just going to the nearest bank and/or dealer and taking what is offered. Why would you not shop around?
Citizenship does not entitle you to a job.
At least the Brexit was done correctly. Here in Colombia the powers that be hashed out a deal for peace spending millions on hotels,flights and food for invited hangers on, so they could all pat themselves on the back for putting the deal in place. The deal was signed last weds and then the people got to vote on Sunday and they rejected the deal by .3% or 60,000 votes. the president is now looking abit of a dick ,more than usual as it looks like he wears make up and get his eyebrows done on a daily basis
I can't think of a more botched job than Brexit which was done, not in the interests of the country but of the Conservative Party. Now look at the tumbling £ against the euro and dollar which will result in higher prices to be paid for petrol and energy prices. If Teresa May had any sense she would bin it immediately and attend to more pressing matters such as the UK becoming self sufficient in meeting its energy demands, attending to the needs of farmers and the fishing industry, and to use a dirty word encouraging self-responsibility. .
Whether it was right or wrong depends on the voter, thats democracy. I wsa visiting my mum in june and was alarmed watching the news the day before the vote and seeing so many people still confused. I was one happy bunny though as the pound dropped by 25% making my trip much cheaper. I have not really followed the impact but it looks like the pound has lost against the euro , but that will be good for foreign trade and tourism. pretty sure alot of experts were predicting the fallout to be worse, and pretty sure that those that voted to leave still think it was correct
BILAB in your last 2 posts you have said "at least the Brexit was done correctly" followed by " I was alarmed watching the news the day before the vote and seeing so many people still confused" and "that's democracy". It's only actually democracy if the people voting know what they're voting about! 50 % of the population are confused when Tesco introduce a new way to pay at the tills let alone whether Britain will be economically better in or out of the EU. We're getting a better idea every week since the vote though.
There are alot of stupid people out there, i meant that the people got to vote first then it goes to Parliament. its the job of each group to explain their case to the people, if they failed to do this its not democracy that is at fault, the parties had 6 months to get their message across. Maybe it was because politicians were too busy bitching about each other I do not know
Oops - didn't realise I was talking to someone who thinks "Maybe it was because politicians were too busy bitching about each other I do not know" It's well known why Cameron instigated the referendum and why it ended up such such a disaster. I won't continue to debate because I'm not sure I can afford my internet fees now my pension is so de-valued! adios and good luck! (I do know how to pay at Tesco tills)
Yep. I do. At least the ones who voted for Brexit.
The whole deal here is that people felt tired of being pushed around by other countries, by multinational corporations, by people telling them they were wrong.
By voting "Brexit" they were calling what they see as both an attempt at blackmail/threats and a bluff. They were already threatened that the economy might tank and they would lose their jobs. They didn't believe it, then. They won't believe it now. From their perspective of course Nissan will try to wring concessions from the UK using them as pawns because that's just more threats and blackmail and nothing has changed.
If/when they actually lose their jobs then their attitude might change. But until then, nothing will change. The Brexiters raised the stakes by actually winning when no one though they would. Nissan is merely reacting as expected, in essence seeing their raise. Which means pro-Brexit won't fold. Not when they can stay in and see another card for free.
I think Chilco is looking at the end game, not the now. One thing is for sure, a lot of people in that region will be stuffed if Nissan pull out. The amount of jobs in ancillary businesses built up in that region because of Nissan is huge.
I'm very tempted to say stuff 'em. But they won't all have voted leave, and that area really can't afford to lose those jobs. The idiots who were jubilant when Sunderland declared their result need to take a look at themselves though.
The Government say they don't need a vote (or intend to have one) before triggering Article 50 but there is a legal challenge being made. I assume the Government is pretty sure of its ground over this but we will soon see.
https://www.ft.com/content/c8c5ff24-7bf8-11e6-b837-eb4b4333ee43
Yeah. Defoe bought that penalty. Oh sorry. Wrong thread.
Your dilemma is the same as mine. I want UK plc to be all right. I live here; my family lives here. Yet at the same time I want those who voted for out to realise the effects of their vote. Your statement about the North East is a microcosm of that argument. It's funny, I usually feel the same way after the Tories win another bloody election, but at least then I can feel that maybe one day the situation will be reversible.
Those discussing what kind of Brexit we want are missing the point. It won't be up to the UK; there are 27 other countries with a view.
Very good, Lambo. I hope those who voted "Leave" won't be moaning next year when their holiday to Spain, Greece ..... is 20-30% more expensive and the pound is at parity to the Euro.
As one for whom the majority of his pension is in US$, I can't say I'm exactly happy. My only saving grace (God help me) would be that Donald gets in in November because that would truly screw up the dollar!
As for your hope that the Tories won't get in again, dream on. Unless Jeremy sorts things out pronto, it'll be years before we have any credible opposition (in my opinion)
the wikileaks dude is supposed to be dropping a bombshell on the Clintons today, hard to tell which one of the two has more skeletons in the closet
It was a good performance from Pence in that he had a good demeanor, and got some important GOP platform points across. He presented himself very well. He stuck more to substance when given the chance as opposed to Kaine, who mostly just attacked Trump the whole time. But then, I can hardly blame Kaine (or anyone) for pointing out how completely awful Trump would be as President, and how much he lies.
It was a bad performance from Pence in that he had to do the impossible, which is try to defend Trump. Which kept him on the backfoot, and made him look stupid at times with ridiculous attempts to spin the completely stupid and inane into something approaching rationality.
If those two had been running for President without baggage of Trump/Clinton, Pence would have crushed Kaine. As it is, I don't think either side managed to do enough to change anyone's minds at all. Pence would have set himself up for a nice Presidential run in four years, except he is now tied to Trump.