All my locals cook with vegetable oils... or so they say. I personally prefer home cooked chips though. I began to get a bit sick of the greesy chip shop chips all the time.
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All my locals cook with vegetable oils... or so they say. I personally prefer home cooked chips though. I began to get a bit sick of the greesy chip shop chips all the time.
Get her
I was always a gifted amateur chef
Chazz ...... since early retirement? Cordon Blue mate, Cordon Blue!
God I wish I'd been a veggy this last week, I've had food poisoning since the early hours of Wednesday morning, I have honestly never crapped so much in a day as I have for the last 4 days, well when i say crap I mean, piss, fart and **** out of the same hole... Jesus!!! I've lost over a stone in those 4 days, most successful diet I've ever been on but not recommended... What does this have to do with veganism I hear you ask ? If I had been a vegan I wouldn't of had 5 burgers, 4 chicken thighs, 4 sausages, pile of chicken pasta and chips... Had it at darts on Tuesday night, been ****ed ever since... Will I become a vegan because of this, not on your ****ing life.... Big **** off Sunday roast for me tomorrow !!!
I respect your choice and acknowledge that you've clearly done your research. I'm also not against veganism at all (if thats how I came across), I think most people would benefit from eating largely vegan diets but believe cutting out lean meats completely is unnecessarily restrictive.
However that statement is completely inaccurate, to say plant based proteins are 'healthier' is just false, health is entirely subjective and depends entirely on what aspect of nutrition you compare, there's plenty of evidence both ways and can consider everything from fat content, amino acids, pesticides, hormones, impact of insulin, bioavailability...etc, to just say plant protein is healthier is a bit misleading.
And there is little evidence to say vegan diets 'increase athletic performance'. The overwhelming majority of the worlds top athletes are omnivorous, they have access to the best trainers, nutritionists and scientists in the world. Margins in professional sport are so tight do you not think if there was anything they could do to gain a slight advantage then they'd do it? There simply isn't any convincing evidence to suggest veganism increases performance, when there is I expect to see far more vegan athletes. Granted there are a few vegan athletes at the top level but most of these made the majority of their muscular and endurance gains on omnivorous diets before turning vegan later in life and very few are the best at what they do.
To be fair people have died from eating packaged salads contaminated with E-Coli, you can't win!
I learned the other day that we have E-Coli in our digestive system all the time!
There was a programme a bit back that argued if aliens landed, and scanned us for life, they'd think we were a vehicle for other life forms, because we're only 10% human and 90% bacterial.
I'm not saying plant proteins are healthier, I'm saying the sources of the plant proteins are healthier.
Surely we should focus on not just the availability of protein in the foods but also what comes packaged along with them? Just because a food is high in protein does not mean it's a healthy source of protein.
Also I'm not saying you need to be Vegan to be healthy, but I do believe you're putting a handicap on your performance if you consume a considerable amount of animals products because everything you think you need to get from animal products can be found in plants that are more nutrient dense than their animal product counterparts. You usually get fibre and complex carbs with will allow you to feel satisfied with less and give you slower releasing energy throughout the day.
Of course I know there's science for and against what I and you are saying, but since I've replaced meats with more plant products, my athletic performance has definitely improved and I have way more energy, and It's not as if I was eating only meats before. I ate fruit and veg before, but I always assumed that meat was required for protein so I'd often eat tins of tuna, chicken sandwiches and look forward to lamb or beef on sundays.
I also noticed that when I have my vegan burgers once a week as a cheat meal, I don't feel as sluggish as I did after a beef burger.
I'm vegan. The argument is factory farming. Animal conditions and the effects it has on the environment. Watch cowspiracy or earthlings. Factory farming has a bigger effect on the environment than the whole transportation industry combined. People who decide to be part time vegans. Vegans, veggies or pescies 50% of the ti e is fine too. It's all about cutting as much out of your diet as possible. P's whoever says it's not unhealthy eating red meats, milk and cheese than your dilusional
The thing is it was a salad the cook had made, peppers,chicken,
And pasta in a mayo sauce...
If you want to go and hunt for your food. Please go and do it. But I'm sure those of you asked to work in an abattoir and see those cruel conditions you would soon turn vegan. Let's see how well people would get on getting their meat before its is so well packaged.
Is it cruel these days though? From what I've seen the animals have to be humanely dispatched now. People can live how they like but if I couldn't eat meat I would take a car ride to the Bridge and jump off, it's one of lifes best pleasures
Do you shop at supermarkets? If so well done for funding the companies that made factory farming a normality. While you continue to fund the big supermarkets they will be constantly driving down prices of all their produce, including meat, which leads to worse conditions for the animals.
You can't be an ethical vegan and use a supermarket, its a harsh reality that most of you choose to ignore but its the truth.
Absolute rubbish. If no one ate neat there would be no meat industry. There would be alternatives. Be it meat alternatives or vegetable based proteins. Let's not start bringing different ethical decisions into it. We are talking about animal welfare and environmental issues from factory farming.
I'm sorry but not eating meat doesn't solve the problem, it merely eases your own conscience. The meat you are not eating is still being produced, it either gets bought by someone else or thrown away, you can remove yourself from the market but it has zero impact. It would take massive shifts in the populations dietary habits to influence meat production and unless you are actively trying to make that happen then you are not making a difference.
Supermarkets created the need for industrial farming in order to drive down prices, you are complicit in this by shopping there, they get richer, profit margins get higher and animal welfare gets worse. If animal welfare is so appalling to you why would you choose to fund a company that profits from animal suffering?