Is Pogba Worth £70m?
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You're painting a false picture there, Rubber. He was never deemed "not good enough". We had a system in place and he needed to wait. His knut agent then advised him to leave and not sign the contract on the table.
Regardless, he is 23 years now and could make impact compared to when he was 18. The past event is immaterial from that perspective. The fee is now the problem rather than what happened when he was 18.
Caught a beauty here
Shame you missed out on Joe Allen tbh.
Careful Sky, you'll give yourself whiplash if you keep winding your neck in so quickly
He should go to Madrid and get it over with. Madrid would be suckers though given the talent they already have in midfield and how dire their debt is. They would have to sell players and rebuild the midfield around Pogba. I don't think they would be getting better than Kroos already provides. They would be idiots to pay the fee.
Sir Alex was known for using youth well, if he believed a player was good enough he would play, you only have to look at the list of players that have succeeded under him. You won the league with kids for god sake!
If he believed that the system didn't suit him or players were better than him he would have still gotten games, look at Welbeck when he was younger as a recent example, he would never start ahead of Rooney/Tevez/Berbatov but would still get games.
Is that the same Wijnaldum who Klopp deemed not good enough to sign for Dortmund? Not sure I'd use the most expensive player ever signed from a Championship club as an example of a great value signing.
Besides which, we don't need to bring in a 'host' of players to disrupt our squad as, for the fourth time, we are not managed by Benitez
Is that the same Wijnaldum who Klopp deemed not good enough to sign for Dortmund? Not sure I'd use the most expensive player ever signed from a Championship club as an example of a great value signing.
Besides which, we don't need to bring in a 'host' of players to disrupt our squad as, for the fourth time, we are not managed by Benitez
I dont think Wijnaldum is a great signing, let alone great value, that is what i was saying
Is that the same Wijnaldum who Klopp deemed not good enough to sign for Dortmund? Not sure I'd use the most expensive player ever signed from a Championship club as an example of a great value signing.
Besides which, we don't need to bring in a 'host' of players to disrupt our squad as, for the fourth time, we are not managed by Benitez
Too hungover to read properly Swarbs?
Talent, without the right attitude, is useless. That is where Pogba met his own end at OT, nothing to do with SAF. He was elevated to the first team squad, played a handful of games and mistakenly thought he was on the fast-track to fame and riches. When the contract we offered him didn't live up to his inflated self-expectation - he left.
I'm now firmly in the camp that I don't want him at the club. It stinks of another Di Maria situation where we might get one or two good seasons if we're lucky but RM will always be in the background and this scummy agent will be agitating away for a bigger payday.
I dont think Wijnaldum is a great signing, let alone great value, that is what i was saying
Fair play, misread your post!
But ultimately it does show the rate at which transfer prices are accelerating - I'm less surprised at Pogba potentially being a world record transfer than I am at the fact that over the past seven years the record has only gone up by £5m despite overall fees racing up.
Had Suarez not had so much baggage and uncertainty over his future when he moved, and had he been moving from an established CL club, I reckon he would have gone for north of £100m. If that had happened, I think people (by which I mean Sky of course
) would be less obsessed with the fee Pogba may or may not move for.
That's not really accurate though. It's more a case of when the contract we offered didn't come near what Juve were willing to offer, he left.
Easy to bang on about loyalty, but when an 18 year old kid is being offer £15k a week and the promise of a starting spot at a top club, versus another season on the bench and in the reserves for a fraction of that, I can't see any player deciding not to leave.
Yes, it does.
I've alluded to this frequently during the whole saga.
Ferguson clearly didn't think he was ready, with very good reason at that time, Pogba thought differently and spat his dummy when our manager had the audacity to pick other players instead of him and set out to leave.
I personally wouldn't ask him back on a free transfer, let alone for £100 million, but what can you do, eh?
If David Moyes got rid of him when he was there i could understand the club wanting him back, but the fact your greatest ever manager determined him not good enough or not 'ready' speaks volumes.
Quit repeating that nonsense!! Fergie never got rid of him. He refused to sign a contract that was on offer. Fergie himself made a trip to Pogba's house in Manchester to plead for him to stay but he left nonetheless.
The 19-year-old, who signed for United from French side Le Havre, was offered a new contract at Old Trafford, but the player opted to turn it down in order to further his career elsewhere.
Pogba, who is now a regular fixture in Antonio Conte's squad, has played a key role in helping the Italian giants establish themselves at the top of Serie A, scoring four goals in 19 appearances for the Bianconeri.
However, the France Under-20 star insists that he does not hold any grudges against the United hierarchy for the way he was treated during his time in the North West, although he claims the reason why he had to leave was all down to manager Sir Alex Ferguson.
He told The Times: "I didn't want to sign a contract as Ferguson didn't play me, even though there were no midfielders there.
"He obviously thought I didn't deserve the contract I asked for, and didn't put me in the team even though he had no midfield players. It was his choice.
"United were short of players like me, but it was the manager's decision. I couldn't do anything about it. I was frustrated because he spoke to me a few times and said I was nearly there.
"I told him 'If I don't play then I can't get any experience and see how far I have to go'. I played a few cup games but he didn't want to give me a contract and they just let me go."
Pogba insists money never came into his thinking when deciding to leave Manchester for Turin, but says the return of Paul Scholes was the final straw.
He said: "When I saw Scholes come back part of me was really happy as he's a legend, but I knew it was the end of me. The manager thought Scholes had to play, not me, and after that I had to leave. Maybe Ferguson will regret it now, but I don't think about Manchester United any more. I have no regrets about leaving Manchester, none at all."
Doesn't say that here and in Pogba's own words.
A house United provided him with by the way. Plus the one they provided his whole family with.
But yeah, he was too good to wait for his turn in the team so instead ****ed off when the opportunity arose.
Where in that article did it say Fergie allowed him to leave? Fergie wanted him to wait and recognized his talent but needed more time.
Overall, it has worked out better for Pogba than it has for us. This is why I still want him at the club. The fee is, however, and has always been a sticking point for me. Plus small matter of knut Agent.
Where does it say that haha?
End of the day he left, and i think you shouldn't be paying 100 million to get him back.