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the roofer said:
How bout Ki , in the 2014 -2015 Ki scored 8 goals , one more than Siggy and Ki started 2 less games .
And I'd have to check but some of Siggy's 7 goals were probably penalties or free kicks .
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Listen they can stand in, it isn't only his goals his set ups his dead balls and yes maybe he did score a few free kicks, but who else would. I am happy with either fer or Ki to stand in for him if injured, but to go into a season without replacing him would be suicide in my opinion, we would need to sign a recognised 10. as bad as I would be without a no. 9
 
the roofer said:
Well if Siggy goes , what do we do play with one less man ?
Fer scored 6 goals in his last 18 games at QPR as an attacking midfielder and would be a fine replacement should Siggy leave ......period .
I'm not saying I want Siggy to leave , but it is possible .I was answering Leftys scenario .
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...and my point is that you seem content with Fer replacing Siggy if he goes. All about opinions but I don't agree. He's on a completely different level imo.
 
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Kifflom! said:
...and my point is that you seem content with Fer replacing Siggy if he goes. All about opinions but I don't agree. He's on a completely different level imo.
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I love Siggy and respect him immensely , but he ain't the only player I respect as a player on the team .
Ki is one , scored more than Siggy in less games season before last .
Fer is another , scored 6 goals in 18 goals in the 10 position for QPR and would have no problem playing him there all season if Siggy left ,.
Scored a beauty last pre season game from the 10 position .
Now most will have a go at Ki from last season , but look at Siggy last season for the first half the season mostly under Monk , 2 goals in his first 19 games ( 1 was a penalty).
But you didn't hear much complaining about Siggy , a bit of a double standard IMO.
And the 2nd half the season Ki got a concussion and a lot of people want to ditch him.
I'd have no problem starting Ki or Fer anywhere in the midfield , especially if Siggy flys the coup.
And that's my opinion
 
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I wasn''t talking about Ki. He's a player that was 'forgotten' but made a good finish to the season. Fer has done reasonably well, no more than that imo. Pre-season his goal was excellent but was against pretty poor opposition. A quick look at his stats tells me 8 goals in 48 appearances for them. Ok but not that great really. Two of his goals for QPR were in the Championship.

I do like Fer and I'm not knocking him. I'm actually glad we signed him as he gives us a bit of muscle in midfield, but would I be happy with him stepping in to replace Siggy? Not even close. We need to keep him at all costs.
 
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Kifflom! said:
I wasn''t talking about Ki. He's a player that was 'forgotten' but made a good finish to the season. Fer has done reasonably well, no more than that imo. Pre-season his goal was excellent but was against pretty poor opposition. A quick look at his stats tells me 8 goals in 48 appearances for them. Ok but not that great really. Two of his goals for QPR were in the Championship.

I do like Fer and I'm not knocking him. I'm actually glad we signed him as he gives us a bit of muscle in midfield, but would I be happy with him stepping in to replace Siggy? Not even close. We need to keep him at all costs.
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2014- 2015 season , when QPR were in the Premier League ( all season ) Fer scored 6 goals in his last 18 appearences as an attacking midfielder..a third of their goals in those 18 Appearences
 
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Fer is good to have in the team, but we really need to keep Siggy and Ayew and bring in 2 strikers to give us attacking options. If we lose either of those 2 then we need to bring in another like player. When you put a price on a player it's not just on him, but how much his replacement would be. I think at least £25m for each of them is a fair price.
 
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Jager said:
Fer is good to have in the team, but we really need to keep Siggy and Ayew and bring in 2 strikers to give us attacking options. If we lose either of those 2 then we need to bring in another like player. When you put a price on a player it's not just on him, but how much his replacement would be. I think at least £25m for each of them is a fair price.
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Fer is a lot better than most think and the prove is coming soon .
Same as Ki .
By the time Christmas hits , most will be saying " Joe Who " . Cork , Ki and Siggy for me .
If Siggy goes , Cork , Ki and Fer .....pudding time is coming .
4.5. for Fer was a steal .....
 
the roofer said:
2014- 2015 season , when QPR were in the Premier League ( all season ) Fer scored 6 goals in his last 18 appearences as an attacking midfielder..a third of their goals in those 18 Appearences
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Many players hit a purple patch. What did he do for the other 30 appearances? He scored 2.

Like I said, I'm glad we signed him but he's just not as good as Siggy in bagging goals at this level.
 
Kifflom! said:
What did he do for the previous 30 appearances?
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Got use to a new team , I presume ( he only started 9 other games besides the 18 in the Premier ) .Even Bony took a bit of time if I'm not mistaken . Bony got 2 goals in his first 9 games , I think Paloschi did better than that
The season before in the Premier , Fer had a stretch of 4 straight games as MOTM at Norwich ... and they weren't his only MOTM for them .
Some players don't play well unless they are in the top leagues , I believe Fer is one of those players .
 
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Well I guess we'll see. I hope you're right because he has much to offer. He's well overdue fulfilling his potential imo.
 
I have mixed feeling regarding Fer, I think he gets blasé in games, he does give us some physical presence, but now that he has a contract, I hope he doesn't disappear in games, no where near the level of Siggy...........<ok>
 
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swan_and_only said:
Also I want to add how frustrated I am with the club! We're an established premier league club with no senior striker, 2 weeks or so before we kick off the new season. How shocking is that! With all the dividends at stake from being in the premiership surely, Investing in a decent striker is top priority.
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Yes indeed, small time charlies springs to mind........ <ok>
 
Fer is a talent but so frustrating at times, he can go missing a lot, scored a couple of cracking goals but not the player to depend on in scrap although he is use to relegation. I wasn't sad to see him leave
 
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Wherever said:
Fer is a talent but so frustrating at times, he can go missing a lot, scored a couple of cracking goals but not the player to depend on in scrap although he is use to relegation. I wasn't sad to see him leave
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Can I ask has he always looked like he needs to lose 2 stone, just wonder whether when he left you was he a bit overweight or is that his natural size and did you ever get a full game out of him, he seems to run out of steam completely at 60-65 mins.
 
He's a big lad, not always uses his strength, rather than not being fit, he seemed to lose interest in a game. I'd say he wasn't the total footballer Dutch players have the rep for, more a useful squad man, not quite what you would expect from Swansea players. Perhaps like Shelvey, had the promise but not fulfilled.
Good luck next season
 
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