Transfer Rumours 2016/17 City Transfer Thread

[Bigelow]

In a strange way I think money is becoming less of an important factor for building a team. Because there is now so much money involved in football it now means that there are so many clubs out there with massive amounts of money. With any Premier League been one of the richest clubs in the world. Throwing insane amounts of cash at players is no longer a viable option especially when you have lower league premier league teams and championship teams bidding 20-30 million for players or having 40-50 million transfer budgets.

Whilst having plenty of money is a benefit it's almost rendered irrelevant unless you are one of the bigger teams because you know everybody else has just as much money as yourself.

I believe that now what becomes more important is greater coaching, greater scouting networks, team chemistry, looking in the lower leagues and a focus on your youth system.

It's not simply about throwing money at everything but trying to get the best out of what you have, being creative with the players you bring in, focusing on your youth system and building a tight team chemistry.

Although Klopp does have money it is kind of his philosophy in which he can achieve more and get greater performances with average players. much like he did at Mainz.


Yes it would be great to have a ton of money to throw around at players but it doesn't always guarantee success and it can cause more problems than it solves.

 

[SydneyTiger14]

Our highest earner is probably Hernandez and he's on just short of 40k. I believe the next highest was Huddlestone but I don't know what the renegotiated terms were. He was on around 28k a week. But that's just their basic wage, it doesn't take into account things like appearance fees, sub appearances and bonuses, which all come out of the wage budget. All players will have stuff like that, even the youth players.

If even our highest paid player isn't on 40k, there is no way we have a 50m wage bill, or even anything close to that.

 

[Steven Toast]

If even our highest paid player isn't on 40k, there is no way we have a 50m wage bill, or even anything close to that.

Trust me, we do. There are a lot more people on the footballing side than it first appears, even the medical department has a fair few physios, doctors and other staff.

 

[Plum]

I think these figures reflect the 2013-2014 season. We could easily be up towards 50m now.

https://www.insidermedia.com/inside...ball-finance-championship-wage-bill-tops-500m

More detail,

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/146216-championship-club-club

 

[SydneyTiger14]

I think these figures reflect the 2013-2014 season. We could easily be up towards 50m now.

https://www.insidermedia.com/inside...ball-finance-championship-wage-bill-tops-500m

More detail,

http://www.insidermedia.com/insider/national/146216-championship-club-club

Published before the sale of Jelavic who would have been earning as much if not more than Hernandez, which would have taken a chunk out. Huddlestone and Elmo would have been signed to smaller contracts I suspect as well. At the end of the day it's just speculation I suppose, but 50m would be pretty surprising.

 

[TygerTyger]

It's not 'non playing staff', it's 'non football staff'. All our management and backroom team are included in the football wages.

So the "25" who averaged £40k a week includes all the "Football staff" including Steve Bruce, Phelan, the academy staff etc?

 

[GLP]

In a strange way I think money is becoming less of an important factor for building a team. Because there is now so much money involved in football it now means that there are so many clubs out there with massive amounts of money. With any Premier League been one of the richest clubs in the world. Throwing insane amounts of cash at players is no longer a viable option especially when you have lower league premier league teams and championship teams bidding 20-30 million for players or having 40-50 million transfer budgets.

Whilst having plenty of money is a benefit it's almost rendered irrelevant unless you are one of the bigger teams because you know everybody else has just as much money as yourself.

I believe that now what becomes more important is greater coaching, greater scouting networks, team chemistry, looking in the lower leagues and a focus on your youth system.

It's not simply about throwing money at everything but trying to get the best out of what you have, being creative with the players you bring in, focusing on your youth system and building a tight team chemistry.

Although Klopp does have money it is kind of his philosophy in which he can achieve more and get greater performances with average players. much like he did at Mainz.


Yes it would be great to have a ton of money to throw around at players but it doesn't always guarantee success and it can cause more problems than it solves.

Ranieri at Leicester probably managed the cheapest team pro rata to ever win a PL title.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

So the "25" who averaged £40k a week includes all the "Football staff" including Steve Bruce, Phelan, the academy staff etc?

Who said the £50m was split between 25?

 

[SydneyTiger14]

This chap:

A wage bill of £50m equates to 25 players on £40k a week, which seems a bit high
(OLM trust the wedding went well)

Wouldn't be that far off to be honest. Not sure Bruce, Phelan, etc. are on megabucks the likes of which the players receive.

Again, who knows, it's all speculation. Bournemouth, Palace, Watford, etc. seem to be managing to spend a fair bit despite having similar wage bills (one would presume).

 

[TygerTyger]

If you look at the figures that Plum posted, and in particular at the so called "yoyo" clubs of Reading and QPR, you will see that they have wagerolls that make it easy to believe we are paying £50m in 2016. What is interesting is that some clubs do seem to magage on a fraction of that cost, but in the main they are the ones who at best will be happy to achieve mid-table (Championship) mediocrity or at least avoid the relegation battle.

 

[Plum]

Published before the sale of Jelavic who would have been earning as much if not more than Hernandez, which would have taken a chunk out. Huddlestone and Elmo would have been signed to smaller contracts I suspect as well. At the end of the day it's just speculation I suppose, but 50m would be pretty surprising.

But since 2013-2014 we've brought in Snodgrass, Livermore, Diame, Dawson, Robertson, 'arry, Phelan, and a few others. We've also got shot of a few but overall £50m wouldn't surprise me at all.

 

[GLP]

But since 2013-2014 we've brought in Snodgrass, Livermore, Diame, Dawson, Robertson, 'arry, Phelan, and a few others. We've also got shot of a few but overall £50m wouldn't surprise me at all.

It will be well over £50m in my opinion.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

This chap:



Wouldn't be that far off to be honest. Not sure Bruce, Phelan, etc. are on megabucks the likes of which the players receive.

Again, who knows, it's all speculation. Bournemouth, Palace, Watford, etc. seem to be managing to spend a fair bit despite having similar wage bills (one would presume).

So the split between 25 was a complete guess then.

Bruce is well known to be on £1m plus bonuses. I cant see Phelan taking less than 10k a week, so together there's more than £1.5m straight away..

 

[TygerTyger]

This chap:



Wouldn't be that far off to be honest. Not sure Bruce, Phelan, etc. are on megabucks the likes of which the players receive.

Again, who knows, it's all speculation. Bournemouth, Palace, Watford, etc. seem to be managing to spend a fair bit despite having similar wage bills (one would presume).

Not saying these are accurate, but they purport to be real figures:-

http://crunchysports.com/money/premier-league-managers-salaries/

To me the most astonishing thing is that anybody pays Alan Pardew at all, never mind £2.5m!!!

However, in my book, the figure ascribed to Steve Bruce falls into the category of "Megabucks".

 

[Plum]

2014-2015 figures, nicked from HDM,

'An annual turnover of £84.09m, fractionally down on the previous campaign, included a pre-tax profit of £11.5m. City's wage bill for the season came to £55.6m for a total of 208 staff, up from £43.3m in the previous year.'

Granted the bill for this season will be a bit lower because of relegation clauses. But either way I think we can safely say £50m is not too far off the mark.

 

[Plum]

Not saying these are accurate, but they purport to be real figures:-

http://crunchysports.com/money/premier-league-managers-salaries/

To me the most astonishing thing is that anybody pays Alan Pardew at all, never mind £2.5m!!!

However, in my book, the figure ascribed to Steve Bruce falls into the category of "Megabucks".

Wonder if Karanka's seen this!

 

[TygerTyger]

So the split between 25 was a complete guess then.

Bruce is well known to be on £1m plus bonuses. I cant see Phelan taking less than 10k a week, so together there's more than £1.5m straight away..

Yes, it was, but the relevance all relates to OLMs figures on the overall running costs of the club compared to the income, and what that "Left Over" to fritter away on new players who turn out not to be strikers arseholes.

Personally I would be very suprised if OLM is far out at all. He is rarely far off the mark, particularly where figures are concerned, and if anyone on here has a better grasp of what City are up to I have yet to see them post.

 

[TygerTyger]

2014-2015 figures, nicked from HDM,

'An annual turnover of £84.09m, fractionally down on the previous campaign, included a pre-tax profit of £11.5m. City's wage bill for the season came to £55.6m for a total of 208 staff, up from £43.3m in the previous year.'

Granted the bill for this season will be a bit lower because of relegation clauses. But either way I think we can safely say £50m is not too far off the mark.

Think you've just put this whole argument to bed Plum.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Yes, it was, but the relevance all relates to OLMs figures on the overall running costs of the club compared to the income, and what that "Left Over" to fritter away on new players who turn out not to be strikers arseholes.

Personally I would be very suprised if OLM is far out at all. He is rarely far off the mark, particularly where figures are concerned, and if anyone on here has a better grasp of what City are up to I have yet to see them post.

I can cast iron guarantee I had a better insight in the past. I used to regularly post little bits of inside info without the fanfare on here and was often ridiculed when they were all absolute gospel, with people often choosing to believe other posters over me based on nothing other than standing on this board. Which was interesting to observe.

I know ****-all these days about anything going on behind the scene.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Think you've just put this whole argument to bed Plum.

Precisely. We didnt have 208 paid players.