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I have confidence that Leadsom would stand aside, but if push comes to shove, the membership would vote overwhelmingly for May.

--reply You would be surprised to know that there's a high chance you have misjudged members' intentions.
If Leadsom makes into top two, it's almost 50-50.
 
- Doing The Lambert Walk said:
This is quite interesting, with the Chilcot Report out tomorrow. The stances and comments of Blair and Corbyn on Iraq in timeline form.

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Very interesting. Not a fan of Corbyn on the whole and don't think he is a leader but anyone who watches that just on what was said will see that Corbyn is nobody's fool.

The part I found interesting was the Blair at Chilcott bit because if you watch Blair's face you can tell he is acting and trying to show fake remorse. It is like watching Nick Clegg with the fake pauses and fake looking down or up as if thinking on the fly. Over dramatic.
 
ImpSaint said:
Very interesting. Not a fan of Corbyn on the whole and don't think he is a leader but anyone who watches that just on what was said will see that Corbyn is nobody's fool.

The part I found interesting was the Blair at Chilcott bit because if you watch Blair's face you can tell he is acting and trying to show fake remorse. It is like watching Nick Clegg with the fake pauses and fake looking down or up as if thinking on the fly. Over dramatic.
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He couldn't hide the fear on Sunday.
 
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(not my words)
The country at large, let alone party activists, will simply not accept May as leader.
Gove might have cut it but is now shot out by his spurning of the aimiable and much admired Boris.
Never underestimate the Tory Party's survival instinct.
The election might seem a long way away but Cameron only secured a slender majority and relying on Labour's continued death pogo would be far from wise.
May cannot win an election. Indifference will do for her.
That only leaves Leadsom.
Andrea - be lucky as your country needs to be...
 
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ImpSaint said:
The country at large, let alone party activists, will simply not accept May as leader.
Gove might have cut it but is now shot out by his spurning of the aimiable and much admired Boris.
Never underestimate the Tory Party's survival instinct.
The election might seem a long way away but Cameron only secured a slender majority and relying on Labour's continued death pogo would be far from wise.
May cannot win an election. Indifference will do for her.
That only leaves Leadsom.
Andrea - be lucky as your country needs to be...
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Is this your opinion or are you copying it from somewhere, it's not clear? Whichever it is I don't agree nobody knows what the whole country is thinking or going to do you only have to look at the referendum to know that.
 
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OranjeBoom said:
Some may find this interesting. Such a 'character'!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...erendum-biggest-in-a-generation-a7119121.html
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Always said he was a dangerous character - rather like Johnson, a very astute man playing the fool to get votes. And bie they've dropped the UK in it, they bugger off letting someone else do the hard part. They should NEVER be allowed anywhere near the political world even in the background.
I fear we haven't heard the last of these two nasty pieces of work - they'll be back when things aren't going well, saying "we told you so - vote for us and nake Britain great again." They won't say "let's identify all the immigrants and refugees by baking them wear different clothes or stars on their sleeves ...,."
 
ImpSaint said:
The country at large, let alone party activists, will simply not accept May as leader.
Gove might have cut it but is now shot out by his spurning of the aimiable and much admired Boris.
Never underestimate the Tory Party's survival instinct.
The election might seem a long way away but Cameron only secured a slender majority and relying on Labour's continued death pogo would be far from wise.
May cannot win an election. Indifference will do for her.
That only leaves Leadsom.
Andrea - be lucky as your country needs to be...
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As lacklustre as Madame May seems to be, she and the Tories will get a victory whenever it is held. Why? UKIP's job is done, so any Labour voters thinking of UKIP will either revert to Labour or not bother turning up. Labour are not going to make many inroads in too many held Conservative seats, even the marginals while the Lib Dems seem destined to continue to remain on the margin.
 
davecg69 said:
Always said he was a dangerous character - rather like Johnson, a very astute man playing the fool to get votes. And bie they've dropped the UK in it, they bugger off letting someone else do the hard part. They should NEVER be allowed anywhere near the political world even in the background.
I fear we haven't heard the last of these two nasty pieces of work - they'll be back when things aren't going well, saying "we told you so - vote for us and nake Britain great again." They won't say "let's identify all the immigrants and refugees by baking them wear different clothes or stars on their sleeves ...,."
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To be fair there are a lot of other articles since he resigned saying he is (at worst) one of the most influential politicians of the past decade and a few others (at best) saying he was one of the most important politicians of the past decade.

It is of course one of those subjective things that will be swayed by which side of this argument you are on.
 
ImpSaint said:
To be fair there are a lot of other articles since he resigned saying he is (at worst) one of the most influential politicians of the past decade and a few others (at best) saying he was one of the most important politicians of the past decade.

It is of course one of those subjective things that will be swayed by which side of this argument you are on.
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He was and in my opinion still is a very influential politician. I just think he's dangerous and many people are fooled by his act
 
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The Ides of March said:
As lacklustre as Madame May seems to be, she and the Tories will get a victory whenever it is held. Why? UKIP's job is done, so any Labour voters thinking of UKIP will either revert to Labour or not bother turning up. Labour are not going to make many inroads in too many held Conservative seats, even the marginals while the Lib Dems seem destined to continue to remain on the margin.
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I disagree. Farage is gone. The "Thatcherite rules" mantra of UKIP is gone. They would do very well to use someone like Paul Nuttall to move towards the left and there are a lot of Labour heartlands voters still saying they will never go back to the PLP Labour. Corbyn has some appeal to the heartlands but not what Labour would hope.

The usual from the opportunistic Lib Dems promising to make a return to the EU their prioirty will get them a lot of support (then who will be called one party politicans.)

Torys do not fear defeat. There has never been a time when they were stronger than their other parties however as a collective these other parties could easily prevent a majority.

While that be news to many ears and for many something that we should not worry about, this is Britiain and our parties focus on getting a majority and fear coalitions.

So yes. The Tory members will be eyeing 2020 not just now because they want a leader that will give the best chance of a majority. A novice leader isn't that much of a problem if they can carry a message because those behind that person will sort out the policies (as they have done for years bar a brief period of Thatcher going dictatorial.)

What Tory members are looking at is not just who will be the best PM. No party thinks that. They think "best at job + appeal".

If it was who would be the best PM then Gove would have just been given the walk through to the job.
 
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ImpSaint said:
I disagree. Farage is gone. The "Thatcherite rules" mantra of UKIP is gone. They would do very well to use someone like Paul Nuttall to move towards the left and there are a lot of Labour heartlands voters still saying they will never go back to the PLP Labour.....

Sounds ominous to me and a bit like a quasi-Nazi party (Socialism and Nationalism, ummm? Correct me if I am totally off-track Imp!!


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So, in the latest Labour party news... A nutter website has been promoting a conspiracy theory that the unrest in the PLP is due to a planned coup by "the Blairites", specifically a PR company called Portland Communications.

Now a Labour parliamentary candidate and Portland employee has received a death threat from some nutter.
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His FB post about is is below:

Kevin McKeever
2 hrs · London, United Kingdom ·
Many of you will have read posts on a blog suggesting a link between me, my workplace and the moves by Labour MPs in Parliament. They have no basis in truth.

I've made my personal views clear on our party's leadership.

I have, however, been silent for the past few days due to a hand-delivered death threat, suggesting I should be 'coxed', a reference to the murder two weeks ago of Labour MP, Jo Cox.

On the advice of the police and in the interests of the personal safety of me, my family, I will not be commenting further.

We have a Labour Party to return to after this mess. I hope we all reflect.

‪#‎MoreInCommon
 
The Ides of March said:
Sounds ominous to me and a bit like a quasi-Nazi party (Socialism and Nationalism, ummm? Correct me if I am totally off-track Imp!!
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I don't particularly care what it sounds like. Some people will buy it and that will be dodgy. I would much rather the Labour party got itself together.

And isn't any party "nationalist?" What does nationalist really mean? Do most people understand what it is supposed to mean? It means nothing to me. I am patriotic yes. I tend to have a rose tinted of the UK. I feel a natural urge to support any English team or representative in any sport or other public arena. Maybe to the point that I cringe at Farage but not as much as someone (not on his side) of another nation.

Does that make me nationalist? or just that I love my country?. I would expect every politicial party do do things that would show they love their country.

And yes I sorted your quotes out. lol
 
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So Stephen Crabb pulls out and backs Theresa May, whilst Nicky Morgan says it should be "a heavyweight" to go up against her in the final round.

Hmmm it sounds to me a lot like the Theresa May campaign is desperately trying to strike down Leadsom and give a boost to Michael Gove to make damn sure it is May versus Gove in the final ballot of members.
They must surely be thinking that Leadsom poses too big a challenge to May. They obviously think that Gove will be easier to beat in a head to head contest.

And as someone who was NOT supporting May, that makes me doubt her even more. As we all know, David Cameron used to surround himself with pygmies like Amber Rudd, Nicky Morgan and Liz Truss to make himself look good. Some of the people he appointed to his cabinet were so terrible it made his leadership look competant!

And Theresa May seems to be behaving in exactly the same way, from what I have seen. Leadsom poses a real threat to her ambitions, so we must do anything we can to make sure that is not the choice on offer.

With Fox out, I am now backing Leadsom wholeheartedly.
I don't want either May OR Gove. But let me be clear, if the May camp are at all involved in manipulating this contest to get Gove into the final two instead of Leadsom, then I will be voting for Gove just to spite May.
Conservative MPs need to think about who they REALLY want for leader when it goes to the membership. Because their plotting may well end up with the unintended consequence of getting a leader they don't actually want.

And I cast my mind back to 2001 when everyone wanted Michael Portillo for leader. But MPs in the Portillo campaign were too clever by half and they leant their support to other candidates to try to manipulate who Portillo's opponent would be on the final ballot. And they ended up with Portillo dropping out and the final contest being between Ken Clarke and Iain Duncan-Smith.
...That worked out well for them!
 
Ken Clarke hilariously exposing the BS that was Brexit and how a few politicians changed everybody's lives for their own personal preference. Interesting takes on Gove [we'd go to war with at least 3 countries at the same time], Johnson [he didn't care whether we were in or out of Europe... the idea of Boris being PM is ridiculous], and Leadsom [at least she's not one of the tiny band of lunatics who think the UK can have a glorious future outside the single market]. <laugh>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36718454

Ken Clarke has always been entertaining. Quite a Jazz fiend too. ;)
 
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