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The Ides of March said:
Let's hope he carries out the constituents wishes.
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His Crawley constituency voted to leave. 58:42 with a 72% turnout. The twitter message is from the EU commission not from his constituents. So yes I hope he carries out the wishes of his constituents ;)
 
ImpSaint said:
His Crawley constituency voted to leave. 58:42 with a 72% turnout. The twitter message is from the EU commission not from his constituents. So yes I hope he carries out the wishes of his constituents ;)
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My mistake. I hope he carries out this particular man's wishes. In reality, the new PM needs to seriously consider the wishes of 3 of the 5 constituent territories that voted to Remain in the EU, Gibraltar, Scotland and Northern Ireland. If the PM activates Article 50 things will turn very awkward with regard to these places, so it makes sense to reject the referendum result.
 
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Pretty fair article that rips through both sides - from Frankie Boyle. You either love him or hate him, and this contains some of the descriptive comedy that he is renowned for, but there are so many parts I could quote as absolutely correct I wouldn't know where to begin. Actually, the headline is just too good.

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Saints_Alive said:
My dislike of Ken Clarke has just lessened a hell of a lot!
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Ken Clarke is an excellent politician, very knowledgable and akin to Michael Portillo. The latter who I didn't like when he was a politician but these days see such a pity he didn't become PM because he is very very sensible and knowledgeable.

I might not agree on the EU with Clarke but always been one of my favourites. Unfortunately as with Portillo and many others getting to PM is not about being the most knowledgeable or sensible.
 
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Beefy said:
Beaten, posted this a page back. I reckon he did it on purpose and knew what he was doing.
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Either he did..........or Rifkind did......or both did. Place you bets..........My money is on both.
 
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Here is the result of the first round of MPs’ voting on the next Conservative leader:

May: 165

Leadsom: 66

Gove: 48

Crabb: 34

Fox: 16

Liam Fox is therefore eliminated. We don’t yet know whether any other candidates intend to withdraw, or whether all four will proceed to the second round of voting on Thursday.

http://www.conservativehome.com/parl...165-votes.html
 
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Whiteley Saint said:
Stephen Crabb has dropped out and is backing Theresa May.
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That is a lifesaver because some of Gove / Fox's votes may have ended up on May's side.

Surely hoping that May will now get all of those votes and that both of the other 2 drop out. I don't think Leadsom will drop out though.
 
Some observations of the vote (published before Crabb's exit.) It questions at the end if the members should vote against the obvious party candidate. They are speaking about if May were to get 2:1:1 in the final ballot in terms of her vs opposition candidates.

http://www.conservativehome.com/the...-want-her-should-party-members-defy-them.html


A couple of useful comments (the first being a party member:)
Given a high number of MP's have very recently ignored their party members and the electorate at large I wouldn't feel any compulsion to abide by their top choice of candidate

And 2 replies to that comment:
Reply 1 Very dangerous game supporting May. If anyone's motives are questionable it's hers. Opts for Remain Reply 1 - then spends 6 weeks hiding under her desk. Safe pair of hands? Or just done nothing?
She is a vote for Continuity Cameron and an open invitation to NUKIP in 2020.

(reply 2 ) Ignored their party members how?


It just shows how the members do not really like May in anywhere near the ratios that the party like her. It isn't as bad as a PLP vs members likeing Corbyn but there is a seep distrust of May and there is substantial questioning of her qualities to the point of asking why she is so highly thought of when she hasn;t really achieved anything in her position.

On the flip side Leadsom hasn't achieved anything because she has never been near the top. This though is seen by some as being able to bring something new, something fresh to the top table and others see her as a more humane, more appealing person than May.

Remember PM is a figurehead position. They have the ultimate decision making but it is those below that shape policy and tactics. It is a team thing.

At this point I still think Leadsom would get this at a member's ballot but today's vote means that it would be much closer to the point that I would not put any money on it. There are some seeds of doubt in the members now that Leadsom only managed 66.

The frustration with the members is that of the 3 they would vote Gove. However I think Gove knew he would be tarred from the decision he made last week and was going into this race as a backstop to Leadsom.

We shall see.
 
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This is quite interesting, with the Chilcot Report out tomorrow. The stances and comments of Blair and Corbyn on Iraq in timeline form.

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