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Off Topic 1st July 1916, the Somme and Hull

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  1. The Omega Man

    The Omega Man Well-Known Member

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    This year marks 100 years since the first day of the battle of the Somme. The day when the British Army suffered its heaviest losses on a single day. 19,240 British servicemen lost their lives.
     
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  2. BOJACKHCAFCMAN

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    My great-grandfather lost a leg at the Somme and was also gassed, he was one of the lucky ones who survived. R.i.p. to all those brave men
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

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    Private Walter Harmer of the 48th Battalion, died in Menin aged 21.
     
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  4. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

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    My Grandfather was in the tank corp, survived and I still have his medals etc.
     
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  5. Steve Wilson's Monocle

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    Thomas Bolton, died 01/07/1916, age 31. Private. Lived on Cumberland Street.
     
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  6. originalminority

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    We should remember them on Thursday evening, the apprehensive eve of the battle as well as on Friday morning at 7am when they went over the top.

    The East Yorkshire Regiment and the Hull Pals weren't too involved on the 1st July 1916, they joined the later Somme battles in September-October around Flers-Courcelette, Morval and Thiepval Ridge. The main Hull Pals sacrifice was of course later at Oppy Wood in June 1917.

    So I'm going for Yorkshireman Donald Simpson Bell VC, the only professional footballer to win a VC 5 days in to the Battle of the Somme, his medal is in the National Football Museum.
     
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  7. The Omega Man

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    Unfortunately 7th EYR played a role in the fighting around the village of Fricourt on the first day of the battle.
     
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  8. DMD

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    I have no connection to this person, I just thought it was worth a mention as my little bit of offering respect having read it on Tom's excellent link. It makes me grateful for how lucky I have been, and how much I owe to others.

    Hull Pals Memorial Post. PRIVATE CHARLES BALDWIN 11/727. Born in July 1896, Charles was the eldest of four children to Joseph and Phoebe Baldwin of 1 South View, Willerby, Hull. A Farm Servant before the war, he enlisted on Wednesday 9th September 1914 at Hull City Hall telling the little white lie that earned so many boys a tin hat and a rifle: "Yes sir, I am 19." One of the Originals, Charles appears to have come through all the major set-piece battles of the Pals war completely unscathed. There is no record anywhere of even the slightest wound or spell out of the line with illness. Perhaps his farm job made him better able to stand the creeping cold of winter in the trenches than a clerk would, who knows. He survived Egypt, the Somme, Oppy Wood, Arras, the German Spring Offensive.....all without so much as a scratch. Then his luck ran out. Charles Baldwin was killed in action on 11th August 1918, exactly three months from safety, and is buried in Outtersteene Communal Cemetery Extension; he was 22 years old.

    Thank you Mr Baldwin.
     
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  9. CANADATIGER

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    My Grandad Arthur Oxtoby didnt die in France but he was invalidated out from that horrible War shell shocked and a shadow of the man who left to join up two years earlier. He left his home in Beverley a few months later on Christmas Day 1916 (my mothers fourth birthday) and was discovered dead in Barmston Drain soon afterwards. He left my Nan with six young kids, who all went to Hessle Road Orphanage until they were old enough to work. Fortunately they all turned out ok and had good lives. RIP Grandad..see you soon. And my thanks to all the other fine young men from our area who gave their lives in the cause of freedom.
     
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  10. Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR

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    My uncle fought his first battle at the Somme and survived being a Private in the 4th Battalion of the East Yorkshire Regiment.

    Fought in other campaigns until his luck ran out in April 1918 when he died after combat injuries. Following that action he was awarded a Military Medal.

    Lived off Hedon Road in a family of 13 kids where he was the eldest son.
     
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  11. greene

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    Forgive me as only tangentially related but something I am currently researching and finding fascinating.

    My grandad from Mayo, Ireland joined the Grenadier Guards in 1915 to fight alongside the English. He was gassed, and fought in many battles including the Somme. He never went back to Ireland after the war and moved to the East Riding. Apparently, death threats were being issued by the IRA to Irishmen who fought alongside the English. It is only in the last few years that Ireland has acknowledged that between 2 and 3 hundred thousand Irish men fought in the First World War. To its credit Dublin will be hosting a 100 year anniversary next week in memory of the many Irish men who gave their lives at the Somme.
     
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  12. Ernie Shackleton

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    George Dugdale Banning, from 270 St Georges Road, enlisted in the 17th Northumberland Fusiliers. This was a Pals battalion made up of North Eastern Railway workers. He died of wounds on the 5th July 1916 leaving his fiancée Annie. He was one of 12 ‘pals’ from Hull who died with this battalion.

    RIP
     
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  13. originalminority

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    You are correct. The 7th East Yorkshire’s (a Pals battalion formed in Beverley) were in action on July 1st and it looks like they were right in the middle of the very worst carnage. As a support battalion they followed the 10th West Yorkshire’s disastrous 7.28 attack on Fricourt from the same trench’s, this first wave had suffered the worst battalion casualties on what became the worst day in British military history and some of our East Yorks lads must have witnessed this horror before going over the top themselves at 2.30 to face the same carnage at Wing Corner! Fricourt wasn’t taken until the 2nd before the slaughter on their section moved on to Mametz Wood. An interesting witness to this whole section of Somme front line was the poet Siegfried Sassoon who was alongside with the Welsh Fusiliers at Fricourt and Mametz.

    We will remember them.
     
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  14. The Omega Man

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    91 MEN OF HULL DIED 01 JULY 1916

    Albert Barker of the 7th East Yorkshire Regiment aged 16


    GEORGE THOMAS WALTON Age 20
    RICHARD PURCELL Age 32
    WILLIAM EDWARD CHAPMAN Age 24
    ALBERT JOHN BRETT Age 18
    WILLIAM WANLESS Age 21
    CHARLES DRIFFILL Age 18
    CHARLES ARTHUR SMITH Age 28
    WILLIAM HENRY BAGLEY Age 19
    HAROLD SMITH Age 25
    FRANK BOWES Age 27
    EDWARD FRANCIS ASHTON Age 27
    FRED LEDGER OLIVER Age 35
    JOHN JOE MOXON SCHOFIELD Age 26
    JAMES WILLIAM SMITH DCM Age 29
    CHARLES W FEATHERSTONE Age 31
    WILLIAM STREETS Age 31
    CLIFFORD LEE Age 28
    ARTHUR MOORE Age 21
    JOHN YOUNG GILDER Age 26
    JOHN WILSON Age
    JAMES MULVEY Age 39
    PERCIVAL JOHN RAM Age 20
    PERCIVAL BEWMAN ROBINSON Age 22
    WILLIAM EDWARD RAWLINGS Age 36
    WILLIAM HENRY DALTON Age 31
    WILFRED HANDLEY Age 22
    JOSEPH WEBSTER Age 54
    JOSEPH COOPER Age 36
    SAMUEL SNOW Age 34
    WILLIAM STANIFORTH Age 27
    ROBERT SMITH Age 34
    WALTER KIRLEW Age 33
    HARRY WEST Age 21
    JAMES WILLIAM KIRKWOOD Age 19
    REGINALD PERCIV JONES Age 27
    MAURICE WILLIAM GALLON Age 26
    FRANK WHITE Age 21
    THOMAS BOLTON Age 31
    WILLIAM HARE Age 29
    THOMAS MACAULAY Age 22
    JAMES LEEMING Age 38
    JOSEPH MARSH Age 23
    FRANCIS ORR Age 17
    ERNEST BROOKS Age 23
    JOHN ARTHUR BARTRAM Age 21
    JOHN THOMAS NOYLAND Age 22
    JOHN ANDREW Age 29
    GEORGE SANDERS Age 28
    GEORGE HAROLD HARRISON Age 19
    BENJAMIN SMALES Age 19
    THOMAS WILLIAM HARRISON Age 24
    HAROLD ROBERT HENRICKSEN Age 21
    THOMAS DIXON Age 29
    WILLIAM CECIL MARTIN Age 20
    JAMES NAVEN Age 35
    JOHN THOMAS R. TUTTLE Age 24
    ROBERT WILLIAM JOHNSON Age 23
    GEORGE ROBERT TATTERSALL Age 18
    CHARLES WILLIAM HARSLEY Age 25
    WILLIAM HOLBROOK Age 34
    THOMAS FRANCIS WALSH Age 36
    FRED PARKINSON Age 20
    THOMAS ATKIN Age 22
    LEONARD ANTHONY POWERS Age 18
    EDWARD JAMES MARTYN Age 22
    RALPH VICTOR PROCTOR Age 20
    ARTHUR HILL CASELTON Age 22
    OLAF STEPHEN STEPHENSON Age 29
    THOMAS T. DEVANEY Age 26
    GEORGE HALL Age 22
    HAROLD DICK Age 26
    HAROLD BINNINGTON Age 21
    ARTHUR HUNTER Age 36
    THOMAS O`MARA Age 33
    ARTHUR WEST Age 28
    ALEXANDER BLAKELEY Age 25
    GEORGE WILLIAM DIXON Age 22
    HENRY DIXON Age 32
    WILLIAM TULLEY Age 19
    DAVID HENDERSON Age 24

    JAMES HENRY KETLEY Age 16

    WILLIAM NORMAN
    Age 40
    JOSEPH EDWARD ROBERTS Age 23
    RICHARD ROBERTS Age 26
    CHARLES HENRY NASH Age 22
    HERBERT RICHARD JOHNSON Age 27
    JOHN ANDREWS Age 29
    JOHN TOALSTER Age 25
    EDWARD ALEXANDR STEWART Age 19
    JOHN ROBERT JUDE Age 20
    WILLIAM HENRY HODGSON Age 35
    JAMES H. (JIM) AARON MM Age 23
    ROBERT HARRISON Age 24
    FRED GLASBY Age 17
    THOMAS WILSON SCOTT Age 40
    GEORGE WILLIAM DAYES Age 23
    JAMES EDMUND BELL Age 25
    JOHN WILLIAM RUDDERFORTH Age 27
    ALFRED REGINALD GREASLEY Age 21
    SAMUEL LOCKWOOD Age 21
    WILLIAM BERRIDGE Age 22

     
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    Are you related to the Oxtoby who joined Hull Grammar School in 1966 and played in goal alongside me in the school football team?

    Thoughts with all families who suffered in the Great War.
     
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  16. originallambrettaman

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    Newcastle...

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  17. Dills double deckers

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    My Grandad was 19 in 1916. He was in the cavalry. I helped my brother move house last Friday and we came across his leather pistol holster..He died before I was born. Apparently never talked about ww1...
     
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  18. FLG

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    My Grandfathers brother is on that list.

    RIP
     
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  19. Dills double deckers

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    what may they all have achieved had they lived. RIP
     
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  20. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    My grandad served right through WW1, came out with a few medals. He never spoke about it, ever. He lost a few brothers in the war. Again something only whispered from my Grandma.
    Makes you realise how lucky i am and all my family are to even be here when you see how many gave up their lives.
     
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