Off Topic Politics Thread

I said to my wife earlier that Northern Ireland may become an issue. Sure enough, there is an article on the news and Sinn Fein have called for a Border Refere4ndum. I bet nobody considered the implications of that.

 

Do you know what ImpSaint - I find that post deplorable.

 

Fresh air doesn't exist....

 

You call people out for calling you idiots when they didn't actually call you an idiot and now you say you care more. I really think it is time you stopped posting about it. You have no idea if you care more about it because you can't know how much people care.

 

Think you are taking me too seriously. Didn't mean to offend. That was a joke about a vote on the mods who accidentally kept posting in a thread they closed.

 

If we elect Trump, you have my word I will not complain about Brexit and UKIP....

that's why I'm gonna try to get it all in now!

 

How many months did they have to think about it?

 

Bloody hell Fran I preferred it when you stayed off the politics thread that is so patronising! No smiley so I guess you really mean it?

 

Which is what they said prior to the vote if the vote was Brexit, but Farage and Boris said it was rubbish.
Now watch most of the financial centre of London move to Frankfurt.
What have you done, people?

 

That's what happens when reasonable people have to listen to people questioning the intelligence of others who don't agree with them....not purely on here I must add. Forgot my place....which isn't on this thread which I knew when it first started.

 

You have clearly missed the point of my post, which is the first one I have made on the issue and has merely commented on the fact that the leave campaign clearly promised to spend lots more money on the NHS during the campaign. It would appear that Farage was rescinding this on TV this morning by saying he had never made such a promise, despite the TV party political broadcast, poster, bus etc. It is only semantics which separate the words used from the message delivered. I presume that most of this will be spent on additional wages when all the immigrants who currently keep the NHS working are border controlled. It is beyond comprehension to believe that immigration control was not the message being delivered throughout the campaign - it is this message which I find more abhorrent than any other.

I have no objection at all to disputing economic figures because these are all guess work whichever side you are on. I am not a university neo-liberal and neither are any of my children, although they are all well educated and were able to read between the lines in this referendum. If the debate had actually been able to get beyond the personality and the straplines then the result would have had a lot more credence and may still have been the same, but would have been devoid of any 'little Englander' commentary and derogatory terms - unfortunately something as important as the decision made will lead to heated exchanges and in your case unnecessary rudeness towards someone who you do not know but just happens to disagree with you (pot, kettle, black). To your mind Leavers may appear to have been more passionate, but it is always easier to drive a campaign that changes something than one which maintains the status quo. Particularly a 'status quo' which we all know needs changing (if that is not an oxymoron).

Regarding the demographics, the linking of results with areas and ages within those areas from published data clearly suggests the profiles as shown in the relevant threads. At least these numbers had a source and can be checked - unlike the numbers being quoted throughout the leave campaign regarding how much more money WOULD be spent on the NHS. I was always in favour of 16 and 17 year olds voting in tis referendum, but this would have required some really well managed debates to get through the headlines to ensure the real issues could be discussed.

 

I haven't actually seen anyone question the intelligence of any people directly, or even infer it to anyone on here. I have said it about both sides but not individual people.

Are you saying that there are no people in this country that lack the intellect to make a measured decision?

 

Football unites where politics divide.

Actually reading saintsweb and most football threads on here that's not true either

 

Are these the same wise heads who have presided over the massive consumption of the earth's resources whilst at the same time denying global warming? Have repeatedly 'nimbyed' the chance of sustainable development for the sake of short term gain? Required the intervention of the EU bathing water directive to stop sewage being spilled onto our beaches? Seen the demise of manufacturing in our country at the expense of real wealth creation? Sold off council houses and not replaced them and then blame the housing shortage on single mums and immigration? Have taken away play for children under the age of 5 and made parents dump their children at schools and preschools so they can go out to work? Run up a massive deficit in their time in office, reaped the benefits, awarded themselves protected pensioner status (if well off) and asked everyone else to pay the bill through 'austerity'?

If so, I would rather take my chances with what the younger generation decides rather than my own thanks.

 

I would 'like' this post, but really fear for the security of not only Northern Ireland, but also other vulnerable locations throughout Europe. The thought of Trump and Putin with the supporting act of Johnson is frightening.

 

I can't help thinking what would have happened if the vote had been to Remain by a small margin? Rioting and blood on the streets I reckon.
But us "reasonable" people will accept the democratic right of the majority and let the right wing, ignorant idiots lead us into despair.
I'm thinking of staying in France and buying a plane because, sure as hell, there'll be no future in a weakened, lonely England ....

 

Sorry but that's utter rubbish. Most people who voted leave are normal people like me and Imp Saint. We just have a different opinion. Sure a small proportion will be racist morons but seriously, blood and rioting? That's ludicrous.

 

I know. I take no glee from Having said that to my wife this morning. She has Irish family. I really hope that heads stay very level over there, but for the topic to be raised straight away, hints at issues ahead.

Fingers crossed.

 

No idea if any of this is true but seen this circulating on Facebook.


Brexit day 1 - this will cheer you up. This list will include you, please read it.

FTSE 100 dropped less than 3%, but still is 2% higher than the start of this week, & 5% higher than 5 years ago.

FTSE 250 (mainly UK employers) dropped 7% - but is still 43%, yes 43% higher than 5 yrs ago. Well done coalition.

Property prices may stall or even drop - good news for all the younger remain voters who would like to own their own home. Good news for tenants too.

Interest rates may stay low or even boe may drop rates further - good news if you have or planning to have a mortgage.

Sterling has dropped - good news for UK exporters of goods and services - including many of your employers and pension payers - but they'd better be quick as sterling was climbing again when trading closed.

Australia have bought lots of sterling today, others will also, the pound will be back very soon.

Planning to live and work in Europe? You still can, like hundreds of thousands of other non- EU citizens have.

Yours and your children's future is in your hands, not EU politicians. Don't use brexit as an excuse. Cheer up !

 

more experience of what Fran? political struggle or driving to Tescos in your slippers? I really don't remember why pre EU was so great? Wasn't the reason we joined because it wasn't so great?