Off Topic EU deabte. Which way are you voting ?

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How will you vote in the EU referendum ?

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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I haven't checked it, but have no reason to disbelieve a quote from Peter Hitchens that said that the perpetrators of all of the recent terrorist atrocities in Europe were not strict muslims by any stretch, and generally had a history of petty crime, drinking drugs etc.

For me, a difference is that there is, without any doubt, groups that look for and manipulate people to commit acts of terror. So far, it seems to be radical islam that does this. I'm not aware of any right wing groups behaving in the same way, but would accept they could have started.

I believe that will be a problem in or out of Europe, although right wing extremism is growing across Europe, with the lack of control on borders and politics fanning it.
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As for no right wing group encourages or manipulates people into committing acts of terror I have no idea where to start.
The are right wing race hate groups throughout Europe that encourage and support acts of terror on non whites and white anti racists that oppose them(including groups here), there are extreme right wing Christian groups in some European countries and the US and other countries which encourage murderous attacks on abortion clinics as well as patients and doctors, the Norwegian attacks a few years back was by a nazi sympathiser etc.
In Ireland the loyalists have always aligned themselves with British nazi and racist groups and at lots of BNP, EDL and Britain First demos there are No Surrender chants against any negotiations etc with Irish republican groups.

No one talks about radical Christianity with Ireland and abortion clinics bombers ... they talk about murderers yet we always talk about radical islam.
Seems two faced to me.
 
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Lee263 said:
Here's one for the remaniacs. Watch, listen, learn.

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Brilliant, the first thing the interviewer says is that the guy's figures are based on families of four supported by an unskilled worker and asks the guy if there are many such families.

He immediately dodges answering the question and then his title appears on screen, "Economists for Brexit".

Nigel's sheep cheer loudly.
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Yes, the same right wing extremism that's trying to fuel the Brexit vote!...
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Do you still get your mam to look under the bed for monsters? The problem you have with your scaremongering argument, is that most of the extreme violence is actually more associated with groups that would support remain.

The right wing extremists on the rise in Europe are largely out of Britain, in the likes of Germany and Austria, where they only just missed being elected. There's not many involved in the UK referendum.

There's a very real chance they'll push for a referendum in other countries, which would give even more reason not to be linked to the EU. It's not that robust or supported as an institution.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Do you still get your mam to look under the bed for monsters? The problem you have with your scaremongering argument, is that most of the extreme violence is actually more associated with groups that would support remain.

The right wing extremists on the rise in Europe are largely out of Britain, in the likes of Germany and Austria, where they only just missed being elected. There's not many involved in the UK referendum.

There's a very real chance they'll push for a referendum in other countries, which would give even more reason not to be linked to the EU. It's not that robust or supported as an institution.
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You are accusing them of scare mongering and then saying vote out cos the extreme right wing will get stronger if we stay in!
 
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remembercolinlee said:
As for no right wing group encourages or manipulates people into committing acts of terror I have no idea where to start.
The are right wing race hate groups throughout Europe that encourage and support acts of terror on non whites and white anti racists that oppose them(including groups here), there are extreme right wing Christian groups in some European countries and the US and other countries which encourage murderous attacks on abortion clinics as well as patients and doctors, the Norwegian attacks a few years back was by a nazi sympathiser etc.
In Ireland the loyalists have always aligned themselves with British nazi and racist groups and at lots of BNP, EDL and Britain First demos there are No Surrender chants against any negotiations etc with Irish republican groups.

No one talks about radical Christianity with Ireland and abortion clinics bombers ... they talk about murderers yet we always talk about radical islam.
Seems two faced to me.
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I wouldn't disagree in principle, and I struggle to think how to word what I feel is a difference, but before I do, I'd best make the point that I condemn them out of hand in exactly the same way I condemn any such acts.

What I would say is that most of those are individual groups, with individual warped agendas as opposed to what's seen as an attempt at a global ideology based on one concept.
 
remembercolinlee said:
You are accusing them of scare mongering and then saying vote out cos the extreme right wing will get stronger if we stay in!
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It is a very warped argument. Take a right wing stance in the EU referendum to stop right wingers in Europe. The logic is if we outdo the right wingers in being right wing then we'll stop them. Isnt that a form of appeasement???

As I said a few pages back, it's like saying to Germans in 1932/33 lets kick all the jews out now otherwise we might end up with Hitler!
 
remembercolinlee said:
You are accusing them of scare mongering and then saying vote out cos the extreme right wing will get stronger if we stay in!
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I'm not saying vote anything. I'm simply pointing out the fact that right wing extremism is rising, and the EU is a part of the reason for that. I guess the point is more that as a consequence, there is a very real chance that some big player could drop out of the EU, which should be a consideration when deciding which way to vote in the UK.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Do you still get your mam to look under the bed for monsters? The problem you have with your scaremongering argument, is that most of the extreme violence is actually more associated with groups that would support remain.

The right wing extremists on the rise in Europe are largely out of Britain, in the likes of Germany and Austria, where they only just missed being elected. There's not many involved in the UK referendum.

There's a very real chance they'll push for a referendum in other countries, which would give even more reason not to be linked to the EU. It's not that robust or supported as an institution.
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Oh, when you haven't got an argument, bring out the 'does your mum'

Highly original! <doh>

P.s.the rest of your argument is total bollocks! The fascists are nationalists above all else.
 
Treble said:
It is a very warped argument. Take a right wing stance in the EU referendum to stop right wingers in Europe. The logic is if we outdo the right wingers in being right wing then we'll stop them. Isnt that a form of appeasement???

As I said a few pages back, it's like saying to Germans in 1932/33 lets kick all the jews out now otherwise we might end up with Hitler!
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I guess it would be warped, if that was the point I made. As it is, it's you that seems to have warped it. <ok>
 
NowsufferinginSpain said:
Oh, when you haven't got an argument, bring out the 'does your mum'

Highly original! <doh>

P.s.the rest of your argument is total bollocks! The fascists are nationalists above all else.
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I see very little but hysterical squealing and inaccurate panic from you, but I try to address the points you make, on the rare occasions that you decide to make one.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
I wouldn't disagree in principle, and I struggle to think how to word what I feel is a difference, but before I do, I'd best make the point that I condemn them out of hand in exactly the same way I condemn any such acts.

What I would say is that most of those are individual groups, with individual warped agendas as opposed to what's seen as an attempt at a global ideology based on one concept.
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I know you condemn it all...was never in doubt in my mind.
Just a difference of opinion mate
 
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