1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

New Manager Thread

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Shepherd's Clearing, Jun 7, 2016.

  1. - Doing The Lambert Walk

    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    40,197
    Likes Received:
    24,158
    De Boer - 5/10
    Garcia - 8/10
    Pellegrini - 9/10
    Pereira - 7/10
    Puel - 6/10
     
    #1021
  2. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    8,204
    Likes Received:
    2,068
    Well I would prefer Pellegrini BUT I will win more if Puel is selceted because I put twice as much on Puel.

    So my vote goes to Puel.
     
    #1022
  3. latviandream

    latviandream Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,008
    Likes Received:
    302
    How many of the five have you got covered ImpSaint? What's your +/- on each of them?
     
    #1023
  4. thereisonlyoneno7

    thereisonlyoneno7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2011
    Messages:
    20,890
    Likes Received:
    31,956
    Me:

    Frank de Boer - 8/10
    Rudi Garcia - 9.5/10
    Manuel Pellegrini - 9.4/10
    Vitor Pereira - 7.5/10
    Claude Puel - 6/10
     
    #1024
    latviandream likes this.
  5. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2011
    Messages:
    17,837
    Likes Received:
    13,160
    Evaluating both on quality and fit...install Koeman as a 7, for what it's worth (otherwise my rankings would look really negative, because "merely post the best two seasons in the club's PL history" doesn't seem like 5/10 material to me).

    FDB - 6/10. Don't think that he'd provide the best immediate results, and would require patience. If however we're in transition on a plan that is to take us to the CL over the course of several seasons, his record of player development might be quite beneficial.

    Garcia - 8.5/10. Good manager. Has question marks regarding is ability to adjust, but so do most/all managers who'd be available.

    Pellegrini - 6.5/10. Good manager, lovely human being. Hiring a manager in his 60s would be a really strange jumping-off point for a long-term project, though.

    Pereira - 7.5/10. Great fit tactically. Would be higher if not for questions regarding the level of competition he has faced and his rather nomadic CV.

    Puel - 5.5/10. Doesn't really excite me.
     
    #1025
    latviandream likes this.
  6. latviandream

    latviandream Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,008
    Likes Received:
    302
    Just to clarify your scoring Schad, is there only Garcia & Pereira (from those 5) who you think would outperform Koeman?

    Totally agree Koeman did a great job, while he was with us. The '5' was only intended as a benchmark to give room for people to score how much better or worse they thought each manager was vs. Koeman should he have stayed, rather than scoring how Koeman himself had performed.
     
    #1026
  7. ImpSaint

    ImpSaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2011
    Messages:
    8,204
    Likes Received:
    2,068

    I took Pellegrini at 11/1 the day all this Koeman and Everton nonsense started. £50
    I took Puel the other day when his name first came up and got him at 9/1 £100

    They are the only 2 bets I made.

    My assessment of them all:
    De Boer - 5/10 like others I think it is too early. He would be coming from a similar setup to ours but gut feeling says to me he isn't right. I don't know why.
    Garcia - 6/10 Has a good record and stature. Not overly keen though.
    Pellegrini - 9/10 He has everything that Garcia has in terms of who he has managed however he has done it for longer and achieved a lot more IMO. Would send a huge message to the world about where we are at and I think it would be his last job. He may well stay for five years then retire.
    Pereira - 5/10 I have a tendancy to be cynical about achievements at Porto these days. Mourinho di dwell there at a time they were just starting to spend crazy money, AVB similar and they get a lot of those players on very dodgy deals (so my bro in law tells me although his Sporting bias might have some effect on his opinion)
    Puel - 6/10 The romantic option really. If he is the man then he must be an absolutely perfect match for the youth aspect IMO.
     
    #1027
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2016
    latviandream likes this.
  8. latviandream

    latviandream Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,008
    Likes Received:
    302
    Nice. Looks like the market has moved in your favour on both of those for the moment at least! Best of luck getting it across the line <cheers>
     
    #1028
    ImpSaint likes this.
  9. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2011
    Messages:
    17,837
    Likes Received:
    13,160
    That the club would outperform what I'd expect from Koeman over the course of our five-year plan, yeah. Pellegrini's a good manager, but at this point he's probably a short-term appointment...hiring him for a couple seasons doesn't make all that much sense to me if we think that it'll be a few years of building to reach the level of a CL club. Can't imagine that he wants to see out his career setting the table for someone else. Conversely, I think that FDB could be a good table-setter on a five-year plan, but I don't know whether we'd be willing to ride out a year or two of lesser results, if it came down to it.
     
    #1029
    Aussiesaint likes this.
  10. NISaint

    NISaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,396
    Likes Received:
    564
    I have to laugh at this new scoring system, managers whose very names prompted a resounding, "Who?" no longer than a few days ago are now getting 6.5/10 etc <laugh>
     
    #1030

  11. NISaint

    NISaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2011
    Messages:
    1,396
    Likes Received:
    564
    please log in to view this image


    Is it worth the waiting for?
    If we live till eighty four
    All we ever get is Puel!
    Every day we say our prayer
    Will they change the bill of fare?
    Still we get the same old Puel!

    That's my take on things anyway. Have a good day lads.
     
    #1031
  12. St. Luigi Scrosoppi

    St. Luigi Scrosoppi Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    11,885
    Likes Received:
    8,286
    I have read all the comments and I have come to the conclusion that just like me no one has bloody clue who our new manager will be.
     
    #1032
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2016
  13. saintrichie123

    saintrichie123 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2011
    Messages:
    32,149
    Likes Received:
    37,334
    Copied this from TSW as to why Garcia turned us down.


    It is now being reported in France (l'equipe) that Rudi Garcia refused our offer of managing Southampton. 2 reasons are being quoted:
    1-He cannot bring more than 2 assisstants with him
    2-The way the club operates on recruitment.
    Is it our recruitment policy or the way the club is structured (transfer committee)?
     
    #1033
  14. VVD

    VVD Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2011
    Messages:
    5,532
    Likes Received:
    2,326
    :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
    #1034
    fatletiss, NISaint and saintrichie123 like this.
  15. Saintjoey

    Saintjoey Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2011
    Messages:
    2,694
    Likes Received:
    1,207
    Believable. Assume Sammy Lee and Watson mean that only assistant manager and fitness coach roles are open...although MoPo bought a keeper coach too. Wonder if it would have been a sticking point for MoPo...
     
    #1035
  16. AberdeenSaint

    AberdeenSaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,978
    Likes Received:
    3,616
    Seems I`m the only person on the planet who wants Moyes.
     
    #1036
    ImpSaint likes this.
  17. ElliotMP

    ElliotMP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,771
    Likes Received:
    1,841
    Maybe he wants more control over transfers in, which obviously isn't the way that we do things. That would be my guess anyways.
     
    #1037
  18. Dell Boy

    Dell Boy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Messages:
    1,468
    Likes Received:
    799
    Hope so.
     
    #1038
  19. Saints_Alive

    Saints_Alive Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2011
    Messages:
    31,308
    Likes Received:
    36,196
    I would prefer Moyes to Puel, he has worked before in England, whereas Puel has done not much for 15 years and has never worked outside of France.
     
    #1039
    OddRiverOakWizards likes this.
  20. - Doing The Lambert Walk

    - Doing The Lambert Walk Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2011
    Messages:
    40,197
    Likes Received:
    24,158

Share This Page