Off Topic European Debate Thread

Dont start asking me questions when you dont answer questions yourself. I tell you what, I will answer your question when you answer everyone elses questions within this thread that you have conveniently ignored. There is a lot of them mind, so get answering.

Im sorry, I mean BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

I think its been said 2 years before we will actually leave the EU. Could be wrong though

 

OK if you cannot rectify that it isn't a stupid comment then the point remains that it is a stupid reason for leaving the EU

 

Yes but the insecurity if not knowing what will happen in the event of an out vote is what will cause the economy to crash not so much a post Brexit agreement. The outers have indicated that It will be at least 4 years before we leave and thus that's a lot of unstability.

 

Oh I can answer it just refuse to do so until you can start answering questions

Clearly you cant answer them, so your argument is pointless

BLAH BLAH BLAH

 

Yes. At least a year, as in more like two before statutory obligations the EU has to the UK cease.

However Mr Cameron/Osbourne have stated what they would do. Not could, but would. It is a clear threat to the populace, a hypocritical threat.

 

How about answering Cliftonville's point and not me? Surely not another comment that you cant reply to?

 

Yes, threats made and hopefully the majority of British people will see this

 

It is quite likely there will be a drop in the stock market and sterling in the immediate aftermath of an out vote.

However the markets are irrational and act like sheep. Big news in Asia or the USA a few weeks later and they will forget all about Brexit. It is just something they can use in their casino game to try and generate bigger movements = more potential profits. Very little to do with the real economy.

Nobody knows what the effects will be on the real economy if we leave. It is all guesswork based on zero evidence because it has never happened before.

 

Please read the whole thing before commenting;


If you’re planning to vote remain, please take a moment to read this article. It may help you reconsider the most important political decision of your life. Most people I’ve spoken to say they’re planning to vote leave, but of the few who say they’ll vote remain, these have been the most common reasons:

The EU is A Force For Good Last year, shortly after Jeremy Corbyn became leader of the Labour Party, I wrote a piece inspired by the view of the EU from Gambia. Please read it. It sets out just a fraction of the ways in which the EU exploits and harms the poorest countries in the world. If Africa is too far away, consider the youth of Greece, Italy, and Spain, a generation crushed to service the needs of the Euro.
The EU Pursues Policies Which Harm The World’s Poorest Source: Shutterstock

Leave Voters Are Racist
Earlier in the campaign, I exposed how 2,700 non-EU nurses who had jobs with the NHS were turned away last year. Most of these nurses were from India and Indonesia, and we denied them opportunity because they did not have EU passports. The EU forces us to implement one of the most discriminatory immigration policies in the world. The predominantly white population of Europe can come and go as it pleases, while people from elsewhere in the world are rejected.

A Leave Vote Might Destroy the Economy
There is a safe, secure way for Britain to leave the EU, and it’s been set out by Roland Smith of the Adam Smith Institute, here. The EEA Option is an interim step that gives us everything we need in terms of immigration control and economic security. The government has suppressed its Brexit plans, and I’ve been spearheading a campaign to get them published. David Cameron was forced into this referendum. He and George Osborne never expected to lose, so they thought they could get away with the most outrageous scaremongering. They have tried to deceive us; there is no reason to fear a leave vote.

To Protect the NHS
I’ve previously noted the strains currently faced by the NHS and why it’s the poor who suffer most. Remaining in the EU is probably the biggest single risk to our health service, which also faces the threat of TTIP. If you’re clinging to the hope that Jeremy Corbyn will veto TTIP, please read this article. Mr Corbyn might as well have promised to build a marshmallow staircase to the moon - he will simply never be given the opportunity to veto TTIP.

To Reform the EU
The EU is capable of change, but in only one way; to grab more power from the member states. Democratic reform within the EU is an impossibility. Britain, one of the EU’s biggest donors, asked for reform, and, even when faced with the prospect of Brexit, the EU could offer us virtually nothing. The Lisbon Treaty gave the EU all the trappings of a nation state, and specifies that the EU is sovereign authority in all areas except those where it has chosen not to legislate. If you’re staying in the EU in the misguided belief that you can reform it, you fail to understand sixty years of history; we will be crushed by an unstoppable bureaucracy.

To Prevent Farage’s Britain
A remain vote is the best way of ensuring that Nigel Farage becomes one of the most powerful people in Britain. UKIP will be resurgent because none of the issues that have led to its rise will have been addressed. It will continue its upward trajectory and eat into the vote of both Labour and the Conservatives at the next General Election. If nothing else, this referendum has revealed people’s profound anger at being swindled into political union, and it would be folly to ignore it. Vote leave and the European question will be settled once and for all. Vote remain and it will continue to plague British politics for years.

To Protect British Jobs
The EU doesn’t care about British jobs. It cares about the success of the European project. If it has the opportunity to quell discontent in Spain by helping fund the move of a factory from Birmingham to Madrid, it will. The EU is a corporatist club, dedicated to serving the interests of huge multi-nationals. Look at this report from the Financial Times on the growth of the car industry in Morocco. Morocco isn’t in the Single Market, but it is set to make 16% of all cars sold in France by 2020, because labour costs are 60% lower than they are in Europe. Ford Transits are now made in Turkey, also outside of the EU. Multi-national corporations will go where production is cheapest, in or out of the Single Market, and the EU will facilitate whatever they need to do business.

To Protect Our Rights The strangest thing I’ve seen during this campaign is certain unions trumpeting their support of the EU by surrendering the credit they are due for securing workers’ rights. Britain has led the world in the implementation of workers’ rights, equality rights, and other valuable social initiatives. Not only are we often ahead of the EU, our standards usually exceed theirs. Please don’t undermine Britain’s progressive history and its compassionate people by thinking that a leave vote will see us regress to the poorhouses of Victorian London.

The UK Has A Long History Of Progressive Thinking

To Prevent a Conservative Britain
Paul Mason recognises the need to leave the EU, but wrote a deeply cynical article calling on Labour supporters to vote remain to prevent the Tories reigning supreme. Such cynicism would see our children and the generations that follow consigned to living in an undemocratic, unaccountable system, purely to play party politics. When this referendum was called, leave was polling around 30%. The establishment never expected to lose. If we vote to remain, it will never repeat that mistake. We will never again have the opportunity to leave, unless we elect a party that has Brexit as one of its manifesto commitments. At the moment the only party that does so is UKIP, so people like Paul Mason would risk a UKIP government, rather than buck up the strength to confront the current Conservative one.

 

MTG

Please answer other people's questions it's getting embarrassing now that you've tried to mock people's post and won't answer anyone. Either be a man and admit that you don't know or answer the question.
As much as CJS is a sag, he stated a really good comment and you've tried to deflect it by name calling.

 

I must've missed the good comment

It was just a bit of tongue and cheek comment with the sag comment

 

On a lighter note

 

Are you drunk?

Former defence chief Lord Guthrie has switched sides to the Leave campaign in the EU referendum, saying he is worried by the prospect of "a European army".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36565036


I love you too wiz

 

Here's one question for you.
You say that migrant workers are good for the economy and the benefits far out way the negatives. Cheaper labour force = more profits and benefits the population as a whole right. Which a big part of the remain campaign is built on.

So. with so many migrant workers already in the Uk, we should be raking it in. So why are we having the cuts? Someone is making all this money, so where is it going? Housing? NHS? Pensions? Roads? Disabled? Education? or other worthy causes perhaps?
Can you answer this without resorting to name calling, just saying bullshit or trying to feed in the race card please?

 

No, it isn't. It might take a year, 2 or even 4 for us to leave the EU but MORE money will start draining out of this country within hours of a "leave" vote, it will not wait in an orderly fashion whilst we exit.

This is what will determine the need for an emergency budget as once we are gone, so is huge chunks of investment...