Off Topic EU Referendum
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Why is that?
And a federal superstate is not on the table, and we wouldn't accept it if it were.
We have the 5th biggest economy in the world and pump billions into the EU. Take that out their structure will collapse. A federal superstate is inevitable. We are already subject to EU law. That is the first stage.
They would have a small adjustment in their accounts, not collapse.
A superstate is not being proposed. If it's proposed in the future we won't be part of it and would almost certainly leave the EU if it came to an ultimatum. I've never understood how this mythical federal EU would be meant to work when we have a monarchy? I would vote out of EU if the vote is about being part of a federal Europe. It isn't though is it? I know there are people within the EU who would like closer political union, but there are equally people in the EU who don't want it. It's pie in the sky at this moment in time and I doubt we would be the only country who wouldn't be in favour of it. It's been a tool used by Brexiters to put fear into the politically malleable.
That's the thing - It's not an immediate event. Eventually though we will likely see a shift towards federalism akin to the US. Certain sections of the commission would love to see a massive superstate governed from Brussels. The problem for them at the moment is the sense of nationalism that persists via current generations. Eventually, a future generation will think of themselves as being citizens of this superstate instead of citizens of an individual state. I don't have a problem with the theory. I do however have a problem with the current state of the EU though. I do have an issue with the eroding of democracy and the bureaucracy. I also have an issue with the supremacy of EU law. Immigration? Thorny issue and i am not going into that debate.
You must bear in mind though that Australia had the advantage that I moved there in 1970
It would be good if we do win the out campaign, changes wont happen straight away and we can try and get better deals before we leave the EU . It would be good to say to the EU the public want us to leave what kind of deals can we make the English public change their mind. If they really want us to stay in the EU then we would be in a better bargaining position. If they are not bothered **** em.
I knew nothing of the coudenhave-Kalergi plan, but it does sound frightening. I can see how it makes sense, but I can also see how one side can manipulate it. I've heard Muslim leaders instructing people to invade the west and rape the white women, an IS leader stating that women will convert if they are raped in excess of 8 times. I also think that with the sharp increase in same sex relationships in the last 30-40 years the effects will become clearer and clearer as time passes, obviously women can still have their own children through donations, but probably (and this might be me sterotyping) male's in relationships are less inclined to have children. I'm not homophobic and I believe that what people chose to do in the privacy of their own homes is entirely down to them, as long as its legal. But I wouldnt be surprised if sometime in my lifetime, if the implementation of this Kalergi plan becomes more and more successful whether there will be a change in political views and whether homophobia will increase, perhaps incidents like Orlando would become more familiar. I hope not, I hope we vote out and we use immigration as a tool to strengthen our country, not put a strain on it.
Vote Out, Make david Cameron and George Osborne's positions untenible. Lets get people in who believe in this country and that will set up trade deals and implement laws that will benefit the people that they are serving and are not in politics for their own benefit.
Vote Out, Make david Cameron and George Osborne's positions untenible. Lets get people in who believe in this country and that will set up trade deals and implement laws that will benefit the people that they are serving and are not in politics for their own benefit.
It is not a conspiracy - its simple demographics. Also, isn't it funny that Mama Merkel praised a book entitled 'Future Dialogue - visions of 2050' which tells of certain terms that will be excinct such as 'Migration background' as by that date most of the German population will be of an immigrant background? That sounds like the death of the German ethnic people to me but its all just a conspiracy I guess.
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For anyone claiming we would be worse off economicall]y......Professor Patrick Minford [Cardiff University] basically destroys that argument.
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I'm not going to sit for 36 minutes and watch that but suffice to say he's in the minority amongst the 'experts'.
Ultimately none of this matters. Eat, sh1t, sleep, repeat.
The notion that somehow "we'll" be better or worse off is nonsense. We'll just "be". We, at a macro level, will continue to simply exist, though individually some will thrive, and some will just get by, and some will struggle. This desire to assert our independent relevance on everyone else is of no consequence to the species. Ultimately we all lose, just in varying degrees of efficiency.
The notion that somehow "we'll" be better or worse off is nonsense. We'll just "be". We, at a macro level, will continue to simply exist, though individually some will thrive, and some will just get by, and some will struggle. This desire to assert our independent relevance on everyone else is of no consequence to the species. Ultimately we all lose, just in varying degrees of efficiency.
My mistake, I thought you were saying it was a deliberate move by the EU.
I am saying the EU is complicit that but its not a conspiracy in my opinion - they are quite open about it. They wish to flood countries with mass immigration to drown out cries from the ethnic populations. Please give a read of some of Sutherland's quotes mate - the man is ****ing poison.
It's one man. You will find somebody promoting any view point you can think of out there. Take a balanced view.
Just did a search for your Coudenhove-Kalergi plan. Google frontpage includes Wikipedia (fair enough), Western Spring, Fellowship of the Minds, the Euro Probe, Info Wars, Vigilant Citizen, Renegade Tribune, My Europe and the BNP website. And Youtube. All but 2 of those are white supremacist and/or conspiracy sites. It also suggests that a race can be made easier to control by polluting its purity - that didn't seem to be an obstacle in 1930s Germany did it?
Please tell me you're basing your opinions (and your choice next Thursday) on something other than the rambling hoaxes of swivel-eyed nutjobs.
Please tell me you're basing your opinions (and your choice next Thursday) on something other than the rambling hoaxes of swivel-eyed nutjobs.