Ex-Manager Thread
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Just started listening to the programme at the moment. Think I'm going to skip to the club stuff as they are just talking about Euro16 at the moment.
Ok.
I know quite a few very wealthy people though who are nothing like you describe - are in fact generous and charitable, as I also know plenty of poor ones who would take your last quid, and kick you afterwards just for fun. People are people, some are ****s, some are not and it is simplistic to believe that moral or otherwise behaviour is determined by economic sucess.
ihatemyselfandwanttodie
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What about Low for our next manager.
I'd be surprised if he carried on with Germany of the Euros...
I'd be surprised if he carried on with Germany of the Euros...
Yes, as you'd describe, you'd expect that scenario wouldn't you. Yet, it is, as often as not, the case.
I think I started this argument when it wasn't even what I meant. I wasn't saying rich or poor are more moral, but that the poor may have more of an excuse than te rich. The desire to double your wages from 10K to 20K is more understandable than feeling you need to increase your wages from 1 to 2 million.
ihatemyselfandwanttodie
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Fran, I genuinely believe this is down to ambition, this in relation to a project, in this case Everton, and ambition of being recompensed as a driver. Wealth is not a consideration.
I am fortunate to earn above the national average but I have numerous ambitions and earning more is one of them. I would absolutely take another job for more money if a number of other criteria were met, yet my lifestyle/home set up suggests I don't need to.
There are a multitude of reasons for this.
I have also been known to spontaneously take someone living on the streets for lunch or dinner, again for a multitude of reasons.
Actually it's not all relative - if I splashed out a few grand I could be sitting next to Ron on the same beach at the same bar - only difference being I didn't have 5 million in the bank and I'd be more likely to get a round in! Where will all that money go? to ruin his kids? (don't know if he has any) He could buy an island I suppose, own it for a few years, die and then someone else can own it. What I wouldn't do for a good cod and chips here in Serbia!
See this is what I don't get Billy Bob Stu (
) If it is about ambition not related to doubling your money, why did he even sit down and talk. He knew our plans and that is to keep progressing from a very good position. The interview played on here earlier suggested he was still willing to stay. I just don't believe that we have suddenly downsized our ambition that made him grab the Everton job.
It just says to me, "I'll take the bigger money thanks"
Maybe I have misunderstood what you are saying, but your post above just makes me think more that it is about money and not ambition.
ihatemyselfandwanttodie
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See thist got etob Stu (
If it is about ambition not related to doubling your money, why did he even sit down and tal our plans and that is to keep progressing from a very good position. The interview played on here earlier suggested he was still willing to stay. I just don't believe that we have suddenly downsized our ambition that made him grab the Everton job.
It just says to me, "I'll take the bigger money thanks"
Maybe I have misunderstood what you are saying, but your post above just makes me think more that it is about money and not ambition.
I think ambition has many facets, and invariably one of those is likely to be money.
I don't view that as a bad thing necessarily, and in this case I think a few things:
1. RK hasn't left
2. He may leave
3. We don't know all the facts from all stakeholders
4. When he gave those interviews/statements was he genuine
5. Has he had a change of heart
6. Why would this be
7. Is he thinking he ca t take us forward
8. Why would he think this
9. Is that due to players going, ie Mane, Vic
10. Does he not have the budget he believes he requires
11. Why did Uncle Les put that strange interview about the negotiations, i know you said they're dammed if the do or ddon't and I agree
12. Les didnt need to go into that much detail
13. If RK is just taking the big bucks, so what, as perhaps many things have changed very quickly
14. I think we can get a better manager
15. PR is playing a far more significant role at the club, and rightly so as we are a violently growing brand
There is probably more but is not so easy tapping on my vitual tablet keyboard.
Good debates though tonight, i think i will try to contribute more often as it is helping me seek and see other views, that also supports my ambitious career...
It is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle - allegedly.
Furthermore, you'll never get to heaven if you break my heart.
The evidence is overwhelming - Koeman can go to hell.
Furthermore, you'll never get to heaven if you break my heart.
The evidence is overwhelming - Koeman can go to hell.
You want to be an Internet keyboard warrior?
In all seriousness though, as I said to Puck earlier, this is about our football team and a large % of fans live their dream world through their club and so trying to put a sensible 'real world' point of view across can often be pointless. You try and justify something with a real world point of view to someone sitting in a dream world bubble - never the twain shall meet.
