Ex-Manager Thread

[Beef]

Absolutely. What I'm talking about is their willingness to put a stake in the ground via the press on various matters, only for circumstances to get away from them. If we're expecting to sell Mane, and it sounds like we are, having your pet journo write an article about how you don't need to sell players like Mane isn't good PR when he is sold, no matter the bid. They're trying to portray confidence, which is fine so long as the thing you're confidently predicting comes to pass.

That's my problem here: the board's actions would speak pretty positively on their behalf. It's their words that end of backfiring.

He isn't being sold? If a big bid comes in then he will be. I just think you look at it in a negative way. Some fans seem to be always ready to have a dig at owner and board. I'm not just saying this about Saints, I am talking about the whole of football. I just feel it's sad when most of the time clubs try their best, but still fans aren't happy. You have to accept every player has his price, as long as the club do their best to keep the player I am fine with that.

 

[fatletiss]

Absolutely. What I'm talking about is their willingness to put a stake in the ground via the press on various matters, only for circumstances to get away from them. If we're expecting to sell Mane, and it sounds like we are, having your pet journo write an article about how you don't need to sell players like Mane isn't good PR when he is sold, no matter the bid. They're trying to portray confidence, which is fine so long as the thing you're confidently predicting comes to pass.

That's my problem here: the board's actions would speak pretty positively on their behalf. It's their words that end up backfiring.

Does it really matter though? What matters are their actions and they are pretty damn good.

 

[ImpSaint]

Didn't he manage the Imps?

In the record breaking promotion season.

 

[TheSecondStain]

Compared to K**tman, Pochettino is not looking so bad at the present. I've even stopped calling him Pinocchio. Just for a while. I'm sure I'll regain some perspective in the next few days.

 

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[ImpSaint]

Who would never, of course, given the opportunity, have gone to Everton (or Spurs) for over double the salary!

Can't work out whether you are being straight or sarcastic but I would bet Adkins would have stayed............not that it matters now because we are onto world level managers now.

 

[Puck]

I am not going to be sensible or mature about this; I never do in these situations. I am not angry, I am calm and I am looking forward with some excitement as to what Les will do next. However, I think it's a bit lame all these people "understanding" Ron's decision to take the money and run. I think these people have over looked something; what he said. Now I know it's only words, but why same them and try and make yourself out to be some special chap. Just don't ****ing say it. Don't say,l that you'll see out your contract and make our you are Mr. Honourable, because you don't know what's around the corner.

That's the bit that's pissed me off. He didn't have to say anything, but he chose to be Mr Righteous. Well I'm going to choose to be Mr Self-Righteous and give him ****. The lying bastard.

Hope you suck.

Does it really matter though? What matters are their actions and they are pretty damn good.

So, in summary:

- When Koeman makes a public statement and then does the opposite he's a bastard and shouldn't have said anything at all because he didn't know what was around the corner.
- If the board do pretty much exactly the same thing it doesn't matter.

I suppose you did say you weren't going to be sensible or mature about this.

 

[TheSecondStain]

There I was thinking the major factor behind Diego Simeone not coming to Saints was the fact that he can't speak English. But I've just thought - David Salas [I think he's even done some translating for Simeone].

Problem solved.

 

[Shepherd's Clearing]

In the record breaking promotion season.

First team to score over 100 goals in a league season for bloody ages and walked it despite starting off with a rather poor 3-1 defeat at Newport County.

Lincoln City became my favourite lower-league team because they wore red and white stripes - this was decided when I was a young I also really liked the City when I visited it.

 

[Pelletron]

I think you've misunderstood me. I wasn't saying 'it's brilliant how much he cares about his job', I was saying 'he pays too much attention to what other people say about him'.

As for singling out players, well, Ronald was known for that and did it too.

I don't remember Mauricio doing it, actually. I think, anyway...

Yes, thought you were saying he cares too much about the game and doing best by it (kind of thing)! It is exactly that he reads his own press and gets upset about his own image that makes me rate him so little. His little touchline dances of frustration and passion are so designed to build his brand. I can't stand managers who can't deal properly with the press - AVB and Tim Sherwood being recent different examples. Sherwood was over-honest; AVB can't help sulking, and looks all the time like he is doing his best (but failing) to represent some perceived image of himself. He doesn't look like he has enough confidence in himself, and that seems to be fatal as regards commanding respect from players and Board. As ever, I trust the Board, though, and hope they do the right thing and don't panic.

 

[Beef]

So, in summary:

- When Koeman makes a public statement and then does the opposite he's a bastard and shouldn't have said anything at all because he didn't know what was around the corner.
- If the board do pretty much exactly the same thing it doesn't matter.

I suppose you did say you weren't going to be sensible or mature about this.

"We can afford to keep players like Mane" doesn't sound like we will keep players at any cost.

"I will see out my contract" is different.

 

[TheSecondStain]

So, in summary:

- When Koeman makes a public statement and then does the opposite he's a bastard and shouldn't have said anything at all because he didn't know what was around the corner.
- If the board do pretty much exactly the same thing it doesn't matter.

I suppose you did say you weren't going to be sensible or mature about this.

To be fair to FLT, hopefully we all save being sensible for real life. If we can't react slightly stupidly as seasoned Saints fans [in my case heavily seasoned] then what the hell can we do in times like this.?

I make no apologies. Sensible left me on Friday night and I'm fine with that.

 

[fatletiss]

So, in summary:

- When Koeman makes a public statement and then does the opposite he's a bastard and shouldn't have said anything at all because he didn't know what was around the corner.
- If the board do pretty much exactly the same thing it doesn't matter.

I suppose you did say you weren't going to be sensible or mature about this.

As I typed that I knew someone would say that's a contradiciton.

The thing is that the Board can't do right in some eyes, or rather those eyes like to see the negative. All Saints fans knew there was some discussion on Koeman's future coming up and clearly that went well. If they if said nothing and Koeman went on holiday these same people would be bemoaning the Board for saying nothing. In fact, if we scroll back through, you'd be able to read people asking what the news was.

I think your comparison is glib. One is trying to give wanted information to fans. The other decided to truisms look honourable.

I'd have a little bit of respect back for Koeman if he came straight out and said, "Listen, I've just more than doubled my salary; I couldn't say no" - he won't though, there will be some ****e reason thrown up.

I am just different to some people. I look to back my own first rather than poke them. I find it odd that people look to find the good or justification in the one who has done "wrong" by your own.

 

[fatletiss]

So, in summary:

- When Koeman makes a public statement and then does the opposite he's a bastard and shouldn't have said anything at all because he didn't know what was around the corner.
- If the board do pretty much exactly the same thing it doesn't matter.

I suppose you did say you weren't going to be sensible or mature about this.

I'm gong to come back to this. You quoted my post about actions. Why?

Koemans actions are those of a greedy bastard. Sort of justifies my stupidity

 

[Pelletron]

Really. How good is his club record?

Non-existent really, but he knows the league, and has the clout. Not saying he'd be in my top three or four choices (I don't have one name for that list yet), but just enjoyed it as a call outside the box. I badly wanted Tuchel last time out; was vocal in my dislike of McClaren; and admittedly was slightly disappointed with Ron (just the wrong side of in the middle), but happy once he was appointed and I saw his first interview. The problem this time seems a bit more complex - there seem a lot more points to hit this time, and more to lose somehow. Some managers I like a lot aren't quite right for us at this point; and others are really too big for us and thus appear to be unrealistic. Between those two points, I can't really think of a name. Which of course doesn't matter.

For my money - though not his! - Ron has screwed up here. He knew us enough to navigate us through these paths fairly consistently, without much damage to what may be a much bigger job offer.

 

[San Tejón]

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Has Peach been fed this, ahead of the announcement, to help soften the blow?
Get some positives out there.

 

[Pelletron]

Really?

No, that was sarcasm. Obvs!

 

[Pelletron]

Can't work out whether you are being straight or sarcastic but I would bet Adkins would have stayed............not that it matters now because we are onto world level managers now.

Was being sarcastic. If he had achieved success, and was sought after, and offered double salary (especially back in his neck of the woods), I'm sure he'd take it. We know Nigel only as the guy trying his best and not really being appreciated by the club's hierarchy for all he did for us. He appears saintly as he was a humble underdog in that regard. But he's human like us all.

 

[TheSecondStain]

I'd have a little bit of respect back for Koeman if he came straight out and said, "Listen, I've just more than doubled my salary; I couldn't say no" - he won't though, there will be some ****e reason thrown up.

I am just different to some people. I look to back my own first rather than poke them. I find it odd that people look to find the good or justification in the one who has done "wrong" by your own.

Indeed [1st paragraph], I'd have just a little bit too. Also agree that he won't. It'll be some bulls*** excuse about football and the history of Everton FC.

As for blaming your own, of course it depends upon the circumstances and the respect that one has for our own. But, in all aspects, Les Reed has done a wonderful job as DOF at Southampton and continues to do so. In fact, if he was enticed away then I'd think we'd actually lost it.

 

[fatletiss]

Was being sarcastic. If he had achieved success, and was sought after, and offered double salary (especially back in his neck of the woods), I'm sure he'd take it. We know Nigel only as the guy trying his best and not really being appreciated by the club's hierarchy for all he did for us. He appears saintly as he was a humble underdog in that regard. But he's human like us all.

I never heard Adkins say time and time again that he'd see out his contract...

Just saying