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Castro's Coffin said:
" Which part of the ground is important and I agree that upper west is just daft, as is moving away fans there. But it still does not change the fact that folk will have to move, not by choice, but by necessity - I have seen it at a number of clubs and folk get over it, it's not great but needs"

Well, the Upper West is a whole stand, or section of a stand. So, which grounds, and you say you have seen a number, you seen folk have to move by necessity?
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Fez said:
If we don't get promoted any owner would have to seriously look at closing some part of the ground - that is just a simple, sensible business economy. Which part of the ground is important and I agree that upper west is just daft, as is moving away fans there. But it still does not change the fact that folk will have to move, not by choice, but by necessity - I have seen it at a number of clubs and folk get over it, it's not great but needs must.
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That's what I posted. Some part of a ground, I never mentioned a whole stand as my suggestion or experience. As I said, it is the part of the ground that is important, if somewhere has to be closed. I also said the upper west is just daft, so I don't think that is a good idea - with it so far? I also said moving away fans there is daft - still with me? No mention from me of closing upper west - agreed? But some fans might have to move by necessity - for seat closures or away fan movement - I hoped you would work that out for yourself. I have seen a number of clubs move their supporters, I have not seen a number of clubs move whole stands of supporters, so it is just as well I never said that. Try reading what I wrote and not what you think I wrote. <doh>
 
originallambrettaman said:
You said 'any owner would have to seriously look at closing some part of the ground', which is untrue.

Any owner with half a brain would scrap the current scheme and look to get back all of those recently alienated, there is no business case for closing a stand, other than the one created by the actions of the current business owner, which could be very easily reversed.
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Show me where I said a stand should be closed. You all have it in your heads that a stand should be closed because that is what has been threatened, but it is not what I said.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
You can bet that AP would not have this happen. He is enough of a realist to know he couldn't argue with the SMC shutting stands for rugby due to attendances but he would think if we could get bigger crowds in lower divisions it is obvious the fan base is there to get those crowds in a higher division, all it needs is to stop pissing people off, make them feel important and pitch the prices right.
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Totally agree with this, but it isn't the reality under these owners, is it. New owners would need time to address it, too.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Unless we're all missing something, there seems to be no real business case for the scheme and closing the west stand/putting away fans there, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

That being the case, what are the motives behind it all?

Is it just incompetence, malevalence, what?
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That's a whole different conversation that you might recall I touched on a long time ago.
 
Fez said:
That's what I posted. Some part of a ground, I never mentioned a whole stand as my suggestion or experience. As I said, it is the part of the ground that is important, if somewhere has to be closed. I also said the upper west is just daft, so I don't think that is a good idea - with it so far? I also said moving away fans there is daft - still with me? No mention from me of closing upper west - agreed? But some fans might have to move by necessity - for seat closures or away fan movement - I hoped you would work that out for yourself. I have seen a number of clubs move their supporters, I have not seen a number of clubs move whole stands of supporters, so it is just as well I never said that. Try reading what I wrote and not what you think I wrote. <doh>
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You have seen clubs move fans for seat closures? Where and what caused them to take this action. Which clubs move fans for away fan movement? Other than for cup games where away clubs are entitled to a higher number of tickets. Just interested because I can't recall any offhand.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
You have seen clubs move fans for seat closures? Where and what caused them to take this action. Which clubs move fans for away fan movement? Other than for cup games where away clubs are entitled to a higher number of tickets. Just interested because I can't recall any offhand.
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I'll ask the detail, but some years ago Newcastle moved some season ticket holders, no questions, consultation, nothing. They were not chuffed, but they've got bigger things to worry about now.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
You have seen clubs move fans for seat closures? Where and what caused them to take this action. Which clubs move fans for away fan movement? Other than for cup games where away clubs are entitled to a higher number of tickets. Just interested because I can't recall any offhand.
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You keep making things up; where did I say that.
 
Fez said:
I'll ask the detail, but some years ago Newcastle moved some season ticket holders, no questions, consultation, nothing. They were not chuffed, but they've got bigger things to worry about now.
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They didn't move them to close anything though.

There's plenty of clubs who've moved fans to reconfigure their ground, often to re-site the away fans, they don't normally do it just because they pissed off their fans so much they stop coming. Sunderland moved their fans a few seasons ago, so they could move the away fans, but they got them all in and explained why and helped them pick new seats.
 
If their goal was to cause further divisions amongst the fanbase, then they have achieved that with aplomb. Even when we were **** and destined to go out of the league I didn't feel as depressed as I do now supporting City.

We should be celebrating the play offs and pulling in the same direction for promotion. Instead we're all bickering about these ****ing arseholes.

I hate the club at present - it's a royal **** up.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
They didn't move them to close anything though.

There's plenty of clubs who've moved fans to reconfigure their ground, often to re-site the away fans, they don't normally do it just because they pissed off their fans so much they stop coming. Sunderland moved their fans a few seasons ago, so they could move the away fans, but they got them all in and explained why and helped them pick new seats.
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I didn't say why and, when listening to the reasons why not, it shouldn't make a difference, as folk are still being moved from their long held seats.
When it comes to pissing off fans Newcastle can sure challenge us.
 
Hull City AFC (GLP) said:
If their goal was to cause further divisions amongst the fanbase, then they have achieved that with aplomb. Even when we were **** and destined to go out of the league I didn't feel as depressed as I do now supporting City.

We should be celebrating the play offs and pulling in the same direction for promotion. Instead we're all bickering about these ****ing arseholes.

I hate the club at present - it's a royal **** up.
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I agree with all of that, but life will go on for some, it always does and then, when things change, some old and some new will find the love.
 
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Fez said:
I'll ask the detail, but some years ago Newcastle moved some season ticket holders, no questions, consultation, nothing. They were not chuffed, but they've got bigger things to worry about now.
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Any examples of clubs doing it for the same reasons as City? Next discussion, comparing apples and pears.
 
Fez said:
I didn't say why and, when listening to the reasons why not, it shouldn't make a difference, as folk are still being moved from their long held seats.
When it comes to pissing off fans Newcastle can sure challenge us.
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You seem to be answering completely different points to the ones being raised.
 
Fez said:
I'll ask the detail, but some years ago Newcastle moved some season ticket holders, no questions, consultation, nothing. They were not chuffed, but they've got bigger things to worry about now.
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Not chuffed but still enough of them turning up to make them the third best supported club despite playing crap.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
Any examples of clubs doing it for the same reasons as City? Next discussion, comparing apples and pears.
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No, but I never said I had. If you have to move and you don't want to, what difference does the reason really make - except extending a meaningless point on here?
 
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