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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
The Blairites are Tories - that's who the BBC supports.

Seemingly.
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Compared to the Corbyn supporters, the Blairites look like Tories, but there are big differences. I don't believe the Tories would ever have presided over uncontrolled immigration for example. But you're right, the BBC do support the Blairites and there's a lot of hand-wringing going on in the Beeb that their preferred choices will probably be kept out of power beyond 2020
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
Compared to the Corbyn supporters, the Blairites look like Tories, but there are big differences. I don't believe the Tories would ever have presided over uncontrolled immigration for example. But you're right, the BBC do support the Blairites and there's a lot of hand-wringing going on in the Beeb that their preferred choices will probably be kept out of power beyond 2020
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No mate, they support the ruling party.
 
Gove's clearly trying to negotiate a good deal for cloud cuckoo land where he obviously currently lives. The UK would NEVER get such a deal, and he must know that.
 
Brace yourselves for two of the most idiotic pronouncements of this campaign today, which is really saying something.

Winner of the 'moron of the day' award will be Cameron, who will argue that Brexit increases the risk of war. Oh for **** sake. Just embarrassing.

Runner up Johnson, who is preparing to claim that no good has ever come from having a single market (although he supported it a few months ago, until he saw an opportunity for personal gain). I think The Brexit leaders have recognised that we won't just stroll into a new trade agreement with the EU in a couple of months, and are preparing to throw their toys out of the pram.

This campaign is like watching a group of especially petulant, spoilt and ill informed seven year olds arguing over who's parents had the most expensive divorce. **** the lot of them, Vote Iggy.
 
I can see Cameron sitting down with Osbourne later:

"OK, George, we've rattled them with world war and genocide. Any other ideas on the consequences of leaving the EU? I'm thinking perhaps plague, killer herpes and earth's collision with a wayward meteorite. Our gravy-train retirement jobs working for Brussels may depend on it..."
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
I can see Cameron sitting down with Osbourne later:

"OK, George, we've rattled them with world war and genocide. Any other ideas on the consequences of leaving the EU? I'm thinking perhaps plague, killer herpes and earth's collision with a wayward meteorite. Our gravy-train retirement jobs working for Brussels may depend on it..."
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Sorry, but if you want to throw about 'gravy train jobs' then that's pot and kettle right there. Johnson, Gove, IDS et al are all in this purely for the cushy jobs they will nab in the event of an exit vote. That's been clear from the very start. IDS's mock 'resignation' was the most blatantly hypocritical and opportunistic event so far. The Out camp are far, far guiltier at trying to feather ther own nests than anyone in the Remain camp.
 
Chaz said:
Sorry, but if you want to throw about 'gravy train jobs' then that's pot and kettle right there. Johnson, Gove, IDS et al are all in this purely for the cushy jobs they will nab in the event of an exit vote. That's been clear from the very start. IDS's mock 'resignation' was the most blatantly hypocritical and opportunistic event so far. The Out camp are far, far guiltier at trying to feather ther own nests than anyone in the Remain camp.
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There won't be a gravy train if we leave the EU - the Kinnocks will be mortified since their family have grown fat on it.

Politicians will have to rely on the old fashioned democratic method of being elected by the people of the UK.
 
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GoldhawkRd said:
There won't be a gravy train if we leave the EU - the Kinnocks will be mortified since their family have grown fat on it.

Politicians will have to rely on the old fashioned democratic method of being elected by the people of the UK.
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You think that Boris doesn't want to be PM in a post-EU government? Or that iDS and Gove don't want to be Chancellor / Deputy / Home Secretary? Think again. They are in this for what they can get out - nothing more...
 
Chaz said:
You think that Boris doesn't want to be PM in a post-EU government? Or that iDS and Gove don't want to be Chancellor / Deputy / Home Secretary? Think again. They are in this for what they can get out - nothing more...
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In the event of Brexit, they'll have to battle it out in their party. In the event of Remain, Osbourne and May will battle.

But with Brexit, no ex-UK politician will be handed fat cat Brussels salaries and huge and unaccountable expense reimbursements for poncing about Europe like the Kinnocks telling democratically elected governments what to do.
 
GoldhawkRd said:
In the event of Brexit, they'll have to battle it out in their party. In the event of Remain, Osbourne and May will battle.

But with Brexit, no ex-UK politician will be handed fat cat Brussels salaries and huge and unaccountable expense reimbursements for poncing about Europe like the Kinnocks telling democratically elected governments what to do.
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In the event of an exit vote, they will BE the party. Well done if that's what you want.
 
There was a story in yesterdays paper about Shirebrook, a small town in Derbyshire. Sports Direct moved their distribution center there, creating 3,000 jobs. The Company refused to say how many jobs were taken up by Eastern Europeans, but considering the population has increased by roughly the same amount, you can get a rough idea. The reporter claimed tensions were running high between locals and new arrivals in the town and that he couldn't find anyone born in the town who was voting Remain. I suspect there are a fair few others who have seen their town changed beyond recognition who think the same
 
cor blymie said:
There was a story in yesterdays paper about Shirebrook, a small town in Derbyshire. Sports Direct moved their distribution center there, creating 3,000 jobs. The Company refused to say how many jobs were taken up by Eastern Europeans, but considering the population has increased by roughly the same amount, you can get a rough idea. The reporter claimed tensions were running high between locals and new arrivals in the town and that he couldn't find anyone born in the town who was voting Remain. I suspect there are a fair few others who have seen their town changed beyond recognition who think the same
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Interesting to see how immigration has become such a key issue to the Brexit campaigners - it was Britain who led the way in accepting East European countries to the EU. and it was Britain which opened itself to free movement of labour from those areas - whereas Germany and most other West European countries favoured a more phased approach. Rather than blaming the EU. for this wouldn't it be more appropriate to focus on the various semi legal employment agencies who are profiting from it. eg. by joining with our continental partners to make sure that all workers are registered and under reasonable contract conditions - this, in itself, would regulate the flow. The reason why so many people want to come to England is because they think the chances of semi legal, casual employment etc. are higher there.
 
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I would imagine it would be harder to send them back to anywhere in the EU, they would have to be deported back to wherever they started from. And if they claim asylum and they originally came from a war zone, like Syria, that could take a very long time as you are not supposed to send people back to places where they could be killed or tortured or unjustly imprisoned. It's not nice.

The deal we have with France, which could survive a Brexit I suppose though the French government has not been too positive about it, works very much in the UKs favour.
 
One dead and several people critically injured after being stabbed at a station near Munich by a suspected Islamist shouting "Allahu Akbar".

One of Merkel's invitees?
 
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So no mileage there for the Exit camp.... nice try though.[/QUOTE]



You may be right, but it's pretty unsettling from a security point of view. To some extent, it goes to immigration levels, assuming the killer's a recent immigrant and not indigenous German.

A sad event anyway - the victims were just commuters on a train and waiting on a platform.
 
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