Off Topic Politics Thread

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AL. said:
Clinton should win, and probably will, though I expect it to be a lot closer than some people think.

People hate Trump, and people love Trump. The republicans have to try and unite around him and get Conservatives to vote for him.

People dislike Clinton, and don't love her. Though she seems like an uninspiring, but safe pair of hands.

That's the lesser of two evils.
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Think I would trust Justin Gatlin more than any of them!!! On a more serious note, I think the great Carl Lewis is now a Democrat politician. Would have loved him to be President!!
 
I used to live in Hillhead, which is part of Fareham. Anyone visiting the place would think it is comfortably middle class. I am dumbstruck why anyone there would vote UKIP when large swathes of the local Tories and the MP favour Brexit. The neighbouring ward of Stubbington must have been taken over by the CHAVS with the UKIP candidate getting elected. Contrast that with nearby Titchfield and never do you see a UKIP candidate on the ballot paper.
 
Piebacca said:
More like it's exactly the point of a White paper. To find out and consult on what people think of the policy before voting it in?
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To paraphrase your earlier comment, regarding the Labour election performance.

Not good for the Tories. However they spin it, it's an extremely sub par performance for a governing party.

Definitely a u turn.
 
Scott Mann and Alex Chalk MPs are being investigated over allegations they received help from the controversial Tory party battlebus.

Three others, Stuart Andrew, Craig Mackinlay, and Michelle Donelan are at the centre of complaints made to police. A sixth, Gavin Barwell was already facing accusations.

If all are found to have broken the law it could spark demands for a string of by-elections that may be enough to bring down David Cameron’s Government if they lost the seats.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-tories-probed-police-over-7907519
 
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Beefy said:
Scott Mann and Alex Chalk MPs are being investigated over allegations they received help from the controversial Tory party battlebus.

Three others, Stuart Andrew, Craig Mackinlay, and Michelle Donelan are at the centre of complaints made to police. A sixth, Gavin Barwell was already facing accusations.

If all are found to have broken the law it could spark demands for a string of by-elections that may be enough to bring down David Cameron’s Government if they lost the seats.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-tories-probed-police-over-7907519
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I am amazed that this story has not been more widely pushed. Channel Four news have been investigating this over the last few months. I am not sure whether there will be by-elections but one of the candidates for police commissioner in Torquay is under investigation by the police and some people are likely to end up in prison if found guilty. The evidence that Channel Four news have is quite comprehensive and applies to a number of constituencies , most of these marginal seats where the victims were the Liberal Democrats.

All in all, the results were pretty much unspectacular. The problem for Labour is that no longer just face the hostility of the newspapers but Laura Kuensberg's treatment of Jeremy Corbyn is extremely unreasonable. I have never seen her put in a report that is favourable to Corbyn albeit , on the ground, he seems to be extremely popular. Only Arsene Wenger seems to get similar negative coverage!
 
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davecg69 said:
Exactly. There's a good argument for making voting compulsory (like Australia, Belgium and some other countries). You are allowed to spoil your vote if you don't agree with any candidate, but you must make an effort to actually get off your arse and vote. Otherwise you get fined.
That would stop people complaining about councils, politicians, parties, etc ............... Don't vote? Then shut the **** up about who governs you .............
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Fining people for not voting, that would be democratic... True some people have no interest in politics or governance, however I think the truth is that there are a lot of people who do not feel represented by anyone and that it would be churlish to vote in a system that is designed to reelect the homogeneous candidates that much of mainstream politics offers.
 
OddRiverOakWizards said:
Fining people for not voting, that would be democratic... True some people have no interest in politics or governance, however I think the truth is that there are a lot of people who do not feel represented by anyone and that it would be churlish to vote in a system that is designed to reelect the homogeneous candidates that much of mainstream politics offers.
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As in the old Brewster's Millions film, there ought to be a option [or options] at the bottom of the voting paper which allow one to vote for None of the Above.
Spoiling the paper, or not turning up, are the only two ways, so far, that a voter has to protest, and both can easily be misinterpreted.
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Surely that's a Green paper? A White paper is a definite proposal of an Act of Parliament.
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From Parliament website: White papers are policy documents produced by the Government that set out their proposals for future legislation. White Papers are often published as Command Papers and may include a draft version of a Bill that is being planned. This provides a basis for further consultation and discussion with interested or affected groups and allows final changes to be made before a Bill is formally presented to Parliament.
 
Piebacca said:
From Parliament website: White papers are policy documents produced by the Government that set out their proposals for future legislation. White Papers are often published as Command Papers and may include a draft version of a Bill that is being planned. This provides a basis for further consultation and discussion with interested or affected groups and allows final changes to be made before a Bill is formally presented to Parliament.
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Still a definite proposal then, and White Papers are hardly ever abandoned completely.
 
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