Which Fan Are you..?

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cini65 said:
Come on now... I might disagree with a lot of what you say but it's rare you resort to gumph like this. You can't just presume that you'd know how a load of fans would feel and behave if a certain scenario would have happened. That's just making stuff up out of nothing. Poor form. You also can't look down on 'them' (WOBs) for something you think they would do (declaring a protest a great success if they had the majority), when you're doing exactly the same thing anyway (declaring it a great success that they only had what you assume was the minority).
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Why is it gumph ?
 
goonercymraeg said:
Nobody is going to tell me to boycott the club I love <ok>
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That's fair enough. For me if I'm not happy with what the club is doing with the money I spend on it I have to stop being taking advantage of. But I guess if you are happy with the status quo you'd keep shelling out your hard earned funds to those people.
 
goonercymraeg said:
So you only believe in supporting your club when they are winning ?
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Winning in my eyes is knowing there are 11 guys on the pitch fighting for the club and giving 125% to try and get maximum results. For me it is knowing they are giving their all for us, win, lose or draw. I don't like the arrogance that we play with. We kinda carry ourselves as a club that too cool to get down and dirty. We can just turn up against smaller teams and win. I look at what Simeone is doing at Atletico. Even from the outside you get drawn to that. You are willing them to succeed because you can see they're busting a gut every time they are out there.

Plus I'm not supporting the team to try for 4th. If they show real ambition and try for 1st and end up 4th, no one will be too mad. It is the lack of ambition that irritates.
 
I get why some think Wengers time is up. I get why others want to stick with him.

What I do not get is booing your team off for drawing a game when you are in the middle of a battle for top 4. This team won you 2 fa cups in the past 2 seasons yet you booed them off. We have won sod all but we applauded our team off after they drew with west brom even though we were gutted. They heard 36,000 fans singing "we love you tottenham we do" whereas your players heard booing and abuse being hurled at your manager...that's probably why Wenger recently commented about the home fans making it hard to play at the emirates.

But the thing I will never understand is how any Arsenal fan can seriously give Wenger that amount of stick.
You were complete **** when he joined...I remember it...it was a ****ing beautiful sight to see you lot in such a mess.
Yet 20 years on, after 3 league titles, 4 or 5 fa cups, a CL final, a UEFA Cup final, several fa cup and league cup finals some of you give him dogs abuse.
The rest of football doesn't understand what you are doing...to protest in the 12th minute to symbolise not winning the league title for 12 years is simply weird.
I would get protesting about ticket prices but because you ain't won the league in 12 yrs?
You seem to think you could get any manager and they would be a success but it is simply not the case. Everyone raved about Martinez when he first arrived on the scene. Most people thought LVG would be a good manager and took the piss out of us cos he went to united instead. There is a serious danger that the toxic atmosphere that some fans are generating for you could put off potential signings and hasten the departure of others.
There is a danger that at a time when other clubs are getting the acts together (Leicester, Spurs, West Ham, Southampton) and the usual suspects strengthening (City, Chelsea, Liverpool and possibly United) Arsenal could be left stagnating. Either changing or keeping your manager may be the thing to do but the bitching is poisoning your club imho.
Not taking the piss...just saying what it looks like from outside
 
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PeterRICK said:
Norwich game was interesting for the reaction to the "protest". There's a vocal and growing group of dissidents who for one reason or another want Arsene gone. Their error was in thinking that because they're so passionate about it, and are in Facebook/Twitter/Chat groups with likeminded people that they're in the majority.

They're not. Norwich showed us how many people disagreed with them. Whether this is because they're happy with Arsene in charge or if because they find it distasteful that people are raging at the man who gave us our sense of entitlement in the first place I don't know. I do think you'll struggle to find someone happy with our limp performances this season. We've had too many games where we've shown zero fight despite having some amazing players.

I'm not an especially happy fan right now but what I would say is that people who use phrases like AKB, WOB, Wengerites and so forth are c*ck-weasels of the highest order. We're meant to be united as fans and all this does is build a big ugly divide between everyone.
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Spot on <applause>
 
cini65 said:
It's not an opinion to disagree with. It's objectively not true.
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How can something be 'objectively almost entirely' ? If it's objective then it's either - entirely or it's not.

What it is, is your opinion. And it's one that I don't happen to share <ok>
 
PISKIE said:
How can something be 'objectively almost entirely' ? If it's objective then it's either - entirely or it's not.

What it is, is your opinion. And it's one that I don't happen to share <ok>
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As in... Almost all of it is objectively not true. A small proportion you could argue is subjective. Not exactly rocket science I wouldn't have thought.
 
cini65 said:
As in... Almost all of it is objectively not true. A small proportion you could argue is subjective. Not exactly rocket science I wouldn't have thought.
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So you admit that some of it is subjective, thanks for confirming my point.

It's your opinion and I don't share it.
 
The Magic Man said:
The 'protest' was an embarrassment to Arsenal and incredibly disrespectful to our most successful manager of all time.

Couldn't give a **** if you love or hate Wenger, he has earnt respect and this is The Arsenal, not some small yobbish club.
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If you think a protest is 'disrespectful', you seriously need to get out more. Ludicrous claim.
 
PISKIE said:
So you admit that some of it is subjective, thanks for confirming my point.

It's your opinion and I don't share it.
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Obviously some of it is subjective. That's why I said it was?

Meanwhile you admit that most of it is objective and that you disagree with the things that are objective. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
cini65 said:
Obviously some of it is subjective. That's why I said it was?

Meanwhile you admit that most of it is objective and that you disagree with the things that are objective. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
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I haven't admitted that 'most of it' is objective at all, I've simply pointed out where you are wrong saying that 'objectively almost entirely' As you've contradicted yourself in the same breath. Personally I think what you are calling objective is highly subjective, therefore it's your opinion and one which I don't share :)
 
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