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The Scots have made it clear they want Independence if we vote out.
So why the bloody hell should they be allowed a vote anyway, give Sturgeon her wish and let them paddle their own canoe.

'if Scotland break away and try to rejoin the EU alone then we WILL have a border'
We'll also have a border between NI and Ireland.

MTG
It's not about trade for me even if your 'facts' are correct and these same 'facts' were ushered out when we had to join the Euro.

Controlled Immigration is good but the EU is about uncontrolled immigration
It will/has screwed up our Schools, NHS, Housing and Roads and will get a lot worse.
33ok net migration every year adds up to chaos and wait till 83 million Turks join the party.
Don't be fooled about our 3 million living abroad, that figure has come about over 20 maybe 30 years.
We've had 2.5 million come here since 2007.
I want to be governed by 'mine' rather than an unelected body trying to keep 28plus other countries happy.
Europe is a basket case and is getting worse and more chaotic by the day - why want to be part of it ?

'My ethos is that nothing will get worse'
Chicken.
My parents generation didn't have that 'ethos' in 1939 - No doubt the 'Lse and other institutions' thought we were mad to go it alone back then.
Have the courage and confidence to stand up for yourself and our country.
 
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Im standing up by staying in the eu. What I want to do is global and potentially a lot of contracts that I'll work on will be from the eu
 
As has been said none of us know whether the information being fed to us are facts or not. As such the vote will be decided on our gut feel towards the EU as a principle. Here basically the older generation want out and the youngsters want in. Much therefore depends on who actually bothers to go out and vote.

Another example on Newsnight the other day was when a nurse actually got up and said that the Junior doctors strike is all about money and not public safety. Apparently they have already opted to do weekend working but will now get less pay. There are always two sides to every argument.
 
Obama said that the bond between UK and USA is strong. But what people are reading into this too much is he would not go against what the current PM wanted.
I can guarantee is Cameroon was an out voter, his response would of been of been different.

IMO he should of never been put into that position by being asked the question in the first place. As whatever answer he gave would of been twisted as wrong.

However if RR is voting out, I ought to reconsider my thinking again. But the one the one thing I do know is what ever happens nothing will change straight away. The horse has bolted regarding immigration!
Go to Reading services and in Costa the one of the staff could not understand me and needed a translator into some Eastern European language. How did she get through interview stage? That's correct they are all Eastern Europeans. Is that right, that they are employing their own nations now?
And you want to study structural engineering MTG, good luck on that as a bigger influx of foreign workers will soon put paid to that career.
 
Do you think if we remove ourselves from the eu,companys will not want to deal with uk companys.
Remember we are, and have been at the forfront for many generations before we entered the eu and we will be when we remove ourselves from the eu.
 
Having worked a few ****ty minimum and low wafe jobs I can safely say that there are some jobs only those desperate would go for
 
Mind the gap! said:
The main trouble is that it shouldn't be in the hands of people to decide.
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Do you think the 'people' aren't clever enough to decide then?

Mind the gap! said:
Trouble is you can't argue with facts and we're roughly £5000 off in the EU a year
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Thats not a fact its pure speculation, you have a habit of doing that Don't you, spouting facts that aren't that at all.. leaving the EU will save this country £1.5 trillion in 13 years. that sum will pay off our complete national debt.

Mind the gap! said:
The most powerful man on earth says we'd not be considered for their trade if we left.
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I don't know if you may have noticed but the "most powerful man on earth" will be leaving very shortly and theres plenty of trade partners out there besides America.. We currently can't send any British beef or lamb to America despite being IN the EU.

Mind the gap! said:
And to trade with the EU we would have to keep the same immigration laws as we have now
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Where did you dig up this piece of crap? put some evidence to even begin to back this statement up!
 
banksyisourhero said:
Do you think the 'people' aren't clever enough to decide then?

Yes I do. Media is very powerful at using peoples beliefs to vote for stuff that they wouldn't whilst not on theid illusion.


Thats not a fact its pure speculation, you have a habit of doing that Don't you, spouting facts that aren't that at all.. leaving the EU will save this country £1.5 trillion in 13 years. that sum will pay off our complete national debt.

The butterfly affect of leaving would overide this.

I don't know if you may have noticed but the "most powerful man on earth" will be leaving very shortly and theres plenty of trade partners out there besides America.. We currently can't send any British beef or lamb to America despite being IN the EU.

If he's not got long left he'll speak his mind. And how would leaving change this?

Where did you dig up this piece of crap? put some evidence to even begin to back this statement up!
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Because the out campaign has lots of reliable evidence <laugh>
 
I answered them, but they appear in the quote bit.

And to answer the question yes. Too many are biased by media manipulating beliefs to delude them into voting for what isn't right
 
The two major issues that will decide the outcome of this vote will be .

The ability to control our own borders.

The ability to make and control our own laws.

That is why I believe the majority will vote out.. Whether you want to get a job in the EU probably won't persuade many people!
 
Question: Are we better off in the EU, or out of it?
- IN campaign: In (no evidence)
- OUT campaign: Out (no evidence)

Question: What will happen regarding immigration if we leave the EU:
- IN campaign: It'll get worse (no evidence)
- OUT campaign: It'll get better (no evidence)

Question: Will we be better off financially leaving the EU?
- IN campaign: No; it'll cost every household £5k (no evidence - purely scaremongering)
- Out campaign: Yes; all the money we are paying into the EU will be redirected into our own economy (can you REALLY see the government investing locally? come on - this is a TORY government FFS)

I have a responsibility to my kids to vote correctly. How the F am I supposed to choose when all you get is SPIN?

My HEART says leave the EU - we never signed up politically in the first place - it was supposed to be a TRADING arrangement - and they hate us anyway.
My HEAD says I DON'T KNOW - but I must decide what is best for my kids.
 
bcfcredandwhite said:
My HEART says leave the EU - we never signed up politically in the first place - it was supposed to be a TRADING arrangement - and they hate us anyway.
My HEAD says I DON'T KNOW - but I must decide what is best for my kids.
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This is exactly where I am on this.
Border control - we are possibly one of the only countries to require a passport travelling between the countries in the EU. Would it stop immigration? No they will still sneak in somehow.
However if we are out then we don't have the European court of appeal bollocks to give people another round of appeals and hence we can get rid of the undesirables almost immediately. Will it happen I doubt it some lawyer will find something to argue about.
IMO dammed if we do and dammed if we don't.
MTG is a young person who believes he's doing what's correct, and to be truthful I admire him for that. However a lot of us have been around a lot longer and can see the crippling effect happening to the country.
Britain has lost its identity of being either Catholic or Christian and having CHRISTMAS and now EASTER is starting to suffer the same fate. I'm all for other believes coming to this country but they have to respect that we are different and will celebrate things they don't agree with, so either accept or leave.

Strangest thing I always find is if these other believes don't want to celebrate Christmas why don't they volunteer to work it instead and have holidays on their own believes?
 
bcfcredandwhite said:
Question: Are we better off in the EU, or out of it?
- IN campaign: In (no evidence)
- OUT campaign: Out (no evidence)

Question: What will happen regarding immigration if we leave the EU:
- IN campaign: It'll get worse (no evidence)
- OUT campaign: It'll get better (no evidence)

Question: Will we be better off financially leaving the EU?
- IN campaign: No; it'll cost every household £5k (no evidence - purely scaremongering)
- Out campaign: Yes; all the money we are paying into the EU will be redirected into our own economy (can you REALLY see the government investing locally? come on - this is a TORY government FFS)

I have a responsibility to my kids to vote correctly. How the F am I supposed to choose when all you get is SPIN?

My HEART says leave the EU - we never signed up politically in the first place - it was supposed to be a TRADING arrangement - and they hate us anyway.
My HEAD says I DON'T KNOW - but I must decide what is best for my kids.
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If you are thinking of our kids, and their kids then one answer OUT.
Simply put if our country stays in, i believe in years to come and not far off,there will be major uprisings in the uk by British people.
We will be inundated by these scroungers, and free loaders that will get passports in other eu countries and they will be free to come here and suck us dry.
 
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RedorDead said:
Would it stop immigration? No they will still sneak in somehow.
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They wouldn't be able to claim benefits though and wouldn't gain access to the living wage as they would need NI numbers etc,
illegal immigrants could be removed without the interference of EU laws that prevent terrorists and criminals quite rightly being ejected back to where they came from.

RedorDead said:
MTG is a young person who believes he's doing what's correct
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MTG is a typical socialist who has freely admitted he doesn't think you're intelligent enough to make a decision about the future sovereignty of this country, probably the most important decision this generation will make. You are not intelligent enough to be able to sort the propaganda from the truth.. but he is? (at 19 years old?)

Typical socialist.. Do as I say, let us do the thinking, we're morally superior.
 
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