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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Billy Death, Apr 24, 2016.

  1. crumble bungle

    crumble bungle Well-Known Member

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    i don't think its about spending next to nothing its about getting value for money.
    Personally i don't care how much new players cost so long as whoever comes in is an improvement on what we have or have to replace.
    Agree that our scouts have been shocking, maybe with Sam he will be a step in the right direction when buying new players.
     
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  2. crumble bungle

    crumble bungle Well-Known Member

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    no mate, he left for a bigger club, he wouldn't come to a poor little club like Sunderland.
     
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  3. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    Sorry tel but Lens is CAPABLE - there's being ****e and being capable and not being applied enough - undoubted quality player but typical Dutch attitude - no good in a team where we are.

    Borini is a decent enough player too but you won't give him credit - maybe his Liverpool connections? Bit of a pansy undoubtedly but he's hard working with vision and ability to pass (that cross for Defoe against Norwich was perfect - had a 1 foot gap to hit to get the ball to him and hit it perfectly - you said Drinkwater's pass to Vardy was a world class ball - he had 30 square yards to hit and he overhit it (keeper should've easily had it aqs it was certainly into the box before Vardy caught it) - Borini had one square foot. That's not a **** footballer mate. He's obviously not a top level player like Kirchhoff would be if he wasn't injury prone but he's a solid mid table player (which is next level for us)

    And Defoe is also pretty good too!

    (All about opinions though)
     
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  4. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Haven't you been slating Defoe all season?

    Like you say, opinions mate, I think Lens is ****... no doubt he has some talent but so did Adel Taraabt and he's ****.

    Borini you're probably right, I'll never like him.

    The point I was trying to make before you hooked onto the part that didn't really matter as it's just my opinion, is that your best players in terms of value won't please a lot of the nay-sayers on here, loans and £500k's people will start spitting their dummies out unless you sign marquee players, your last marquee players, Lens and Borini well their impact has been minimal this season.

    I made a prediction months back, your players will tip up with 6 games left and start to play, all their ****ty performances will be forgiven and Short will fist pump the fans from the stands and he'll be a hero again until the summer signings start... hopefully if you stay up, Allardyce will put an end to that farce.
     
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  5. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    If we sign players like Kirchhoff and M'Vila for an outlay of less than 5m I'll be happy - but I always judge on a player rather than a price! If we sign a Kirchhoff level player without the injury concerns for £15m then you have to say he'd be a great signing! If we sign players around the £4-5m mark and they turn out to be world beaters then great - but you're right - some won;t be happy unless we're competing for Messi esque players!

    As for Defoe - he's crap. Always has been... :)
     
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  6. flandersmackem

    flandersmackem Well-Known Member

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    I know what you're saying, and this annual cycle simply has to stop. IF we stay up and IF Sam stays, I feel a little more confident out recruitment and preparation for next season will at least be better than it has been over the last few seasons
     
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  7. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Hopefully, for you guys mate. The fact is, supporting a team will come with it's highs and it's lows, but when it's a cycle of lows and your highs are scraping survival, something has to change and hopefully your owner has identified that now by letting SA make his own decisions.

    I dread to think how much money has been wasted by stupid DoF's at all of these English clubs, hiring and firing managers, paying agents, buying **** players, paying agents for **** players... Our chief exec is that **** he ended up paying £27m for Fellaini who had a £25m release clause in his contract... <doh>
     
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  8. Charley Farley

    Charley Farley Well-Known Member

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    Tel, is it just our page you visit or do you contribute to other clubs forums.

    If it is just us, why?

    Have you got some mates or connections up here.

    You seem to spend a lot of time with us (good) and I'm just wondering why that is.

    You, Comm and Billy seem to be the most regular posters on here.
     
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  9. Nacho

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    Came for the banter, stayed for the monty.
     
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  10. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    It was the loan players and the United connections that sort of made me come over in the first place, since then I've just got on well with a lot of people.

    They've all left and I just hang around to make Relic miserable now. <ok>
     
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  11. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Who out of the SAFC team would you drop to put any of the Mags players in? I'm struggling to drop any of our 11 for one of theirs.
    A couple of decent squad players but nowt exceptional.
     
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  12. Lostinvegas

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    I have been very impressed with BSA's signings: Kone, Khazri, Kirchoff have all been really good and N'Doye has done a job. If he can sign another 3 as goog as them and get rid of a few we will be ok.
     
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  13. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    Sam works closely with Mark Mckay, the agent. He's brought some big players to this league, including Payet... He sorted a deal out for West Ham to sign Kante but they opted for Song instead.

    Not sure if there's a database of his players anywhere but I reckon you'll be signing one of them (Ayew?) in the summer unless you go down.
     
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  14. David Moyes' Stupid Face

    David Moyes' Stupid Face Well-Known Member

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    Townsend - better than Borini imo.

    Wijnaldum - hit and miss but he's streets ahead of any of our central players going forward. In a midfield three with MVila and Kirchhoff, I'd choose him over Catts every day of the week.

    Shelvey - see Wijnaldum but to a lesser extent. Still better than Catts going forward, but I'd hope we would sign someone better than both in the summer. Not bad as a benchwarmer though.

    Perez - wouldn't be a first teamer for me straight away but I think he has potential to be very decent. Also, as of summer our only out-and-out striker will be Defoe, who's getting on a bit and likely won't be able to play 90 mins week-in-week-out for the whole season. I'd envisage Perez slowly being brought into the team in his place.

    Mitrovic - again probably wouldn't start him ahead of Defoe at first but he is very young and could be a real weapon once he's had time to adapt to the league. He also offers something a bit different to Defoe and is miles ahead of N'Doye imo.

    Janmaat - Way better than Jones who will officially be our first choice RB come summer <yikes> <yikes> <yikes>. Very good going forward, but questionable at the back. I'd like to think Big Sam could sort that out and make him a decent all-rounder.

    Aarons - again, I'd have him for potential, not a first-team player straight away. Looks like he could be very decent in a couple of years though.
     
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  15. Lostinvegas

    Lostinvegas Well-Known Member

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    I think you are mad, I would maybe at a push have Townsend, but I think Khazri will turn out to have been a much better option. Mitrovic looks like he has potential too but as for the likes of Shelvey..... give me a break I would much rather have Cattermole.
     
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  16. Gil T Azell

    Gil T Azell Well-Known Member

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    Townsend. canny player but temperamental. Borini gives he's all
    Wij. Can see your point in an attacking midfield role ahead of Mvila and Kirch but cannot even get a start for Newcastle at the minute. According to Newcastle lads I know he goes missing in games if things not going his way. Catts 100% commitment every time.
    Shelvey. Thought he would be a very good signing. Once again moody if things going wrong.
    Perez, deffo potential
    Mitrovic as above
    Janmaat. Possibly but another moody sort who goes missing.
    Aarons = no.
     
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  17. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    Gini Wijnaldum
     
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  18. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    why? is he seedless
     
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  19. The Relic

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    Depending on what's going to happen here, Brad Guzan might be worth a look.
     
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  20. Blunham Mackem

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    <ok> The old one's still the best one's ey Roger?
     
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