Off Topic The Politics Thread

You know what Col? I doubt we're going to see eye to eye on this one.

 

But you don't know, do you? And that's the whole point...

 

Lads, as somebody who has been heavily involved in the debate previously, please can you all give it a rest for a few days at least. Not only are you all going around in circles, you are tying yourselves up in knots at the same time. I doubt anybody is going to change anybody's opinion so there is no point falling out over something none of you have control of. Roll on the vote and an end to all this pointless debate.

The next time I meet any of you for a pint, politics is banned!!!

 

Ok Fingi, let's Move the conversation down a football route, we always hear about Wilson's 1970 election defeat to England's exit to West Germany. The disappointment supposedly spurring people to vote for change.

I suspect a pathetic showing and early exit for England in France would also spur people to vote for change and Exit.

What do we think? Anyone cheering for Wales and Russia just in case it helps? Or maybe a good showing will have the adverse effect?

 

unfortunately this is far too important a subject to be sidelined because of abusive posts by the Remain voters on here. Finglas, as you are well aware, the Irish have been forced to vote against what they truly wanted and the scare tactics, or bogeyman stories, are being used to sway the British voters too. Hold your nerve fellow Brexiters, Independence day is coming

 

To me, there haven't been any abusive posts by either side. Tempers are just fraying a little.

PS - this is the second time I have said this to you, NOBODY forced Irish voters to vote for something they didn't want. I am sure the British people will vote for whatever they choose on June 23rd.

 

The problem was that we got the answer wrong the first time so had to vote again (twice if memory serves me right, Nice and Maastrict), so you're right to say that nobody forced us, but we had to do it again to get the result the Government wanted.

The UK does not have that option, it's a one off, no 2nd chance.

 

Apparently there is a type of second chance. If we vote to stay in, but that is followed by proposed EU treaty change that has to be put to a referendum - not sure if the result is binding on the government of the day. Given the evident sensitivities about the EU, the government may also decide to go for a referendum if we see large scale changes which don't require treaty change. Of course if we vote leave I should imagine that's it.

 

O course you haven't. They are too busy calling the Remain camp names to talk about the issues themselves.

 

Patronise much? The Exit people have been just as vociferous and just as abusive in their turn, but if you only want to see one side of this, then I guess there's little point continuing any actual debate, is there. - except it's far too important. So maybe you want to consider not insulting 50% of the posters here when you call for calm?

EVERYONE has a view, and EVERYONE has the ability to act twattishly, irrespective of their pro- or anti-EU stance. Just ask Boris how he feels about those who oppose him...

 

At least we are getting a chance - unlike the Lisbon 'Treaty' when Nu Labour decided they knew best. I'm so glad we have seen the back of them...

 

I think that's right, and it's an issue for REMAIN. If we vote out, we're out. If we vote in, we're in for now. But if in 10 years time, the Eurozone comprises 26 states acting as one, and the UK and Denmark feel put upon, there may be demands for another. I've always felt that the "concessions" that Cameron came back with from Brussels before the referendum was triggered were no more than sticking plasters. I don't see a clear path forward for the UK in an EU that is slowly becoming one state.

 

I remember at the time of the Nice vote, there was something going on in the taxi industry and I decided to vote no as a way of giving the government a bloody nose. The second time around, my parochial little issue had been resolved and I decided to vote yes. People like to do the opposite to what they are told to do. It is human nature. As you say, nobody forced us. Cor blymie doesn't realise that.

 

Sounds like fear of the future. I thought that it was only the Remain camp that were trading on fear?

 

forced probably the wrong term, but certainly they ignored the first vote and threatened you with dire consequences if you didn't toe the line. Much like the Dutch vote last week. Anyways, good debate from all sides on this very important vote

 

Nobody was threatened with anything. Where did you get that from, Nigel Farage????

 

then for pete's sake why was there a need for a 2nd vote

 

Because the whole treaty was being held up until we voted yes. 1 per cent of the eu population should not hold the other 99 per cent to ransom.

 

It's an attempt to see where this EU passenger liner is headed.

 

so there was no point having a vote because the EU elite told the Irish government to have another vote until it got the result it wanted I was right the first time, you were forced. Take your own advise and take a break from this debate as you are going around in circles