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tiggermaster said:
Yes I can quite see that Osborne fulfils the role of the Sheriff of Nottingham but I'll not be persuaded that IDS could be Robin Hood. Maybe Boris's Chancellor should the Brexits win in June.. One last shot at it then a seat in the Lords if he's out with the in crowd.
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Oh God, what a choice, Guillotine Gideon or Barmy Boris, kinda makes me wish that Cameron would carry on.
 
So the Smith twins, Ian and Duncan** have quit. They've backed the Tories on the reductions to the disabled and those unable to work, for years. They have always said they came from a working class background and for quite some time I wondered how they have been able to square the circle. Well they couldn't.

** Thank you Ian Hislop.
 
Whiteley Saint said:
It's true sometimes the children are more educated than the adults about what is good and what is not. A friend of mine was overweight and was always being told by his daughter what was bad for him. He didn't take any notice until he had a heart attack last year. Now he has seen the light but it's a shame he didn't listen to his daughter.

As for the sugar levy it's a step in the right direction. There is still loads more that needs doing though. The discussion about education is a strange one. It's sometimes hard to understand how parents aren't aware of some of the health problems of certain food and drinks. It's on the news often enough, in the papers and there are programs about it but somehow I see it but parents don't. The information is there but still people seem to ignore it.
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Children are essentially a captive audience.
I know plenty of adults who don't watch the news or read newspapers for example.

Plus sugar tastes great. It wouldn't be dangerous if we didn't like it. Plenty of sugar free products bomb.
 
Politics thread on the Saints Not606 forum? Whatever next.

Haven't read much past the usual Tory bashing hatred so I'll make one post and leave it at that. After all political differences have nothing to do with the fact we are all Saints fans.

IDS' resignation is more against Osborne than against his disagreement with policy. It is plain and simple to damage Osborne's leadership chances and if it looks bad on the remain camp at the same time then all the better.

I am proud to be a Tory voter. And proud to be firmly in the leave camp. Living in the East Mids being told I am a Lazy Brit whilst not being able to get a **** job because EU migrant agency workers are given the preferment has left many people like myself and their families with a total feeling of inadequacy of having to rely on free handouts from the state to live quite comfortably.

So I am one that blames Labour for its disastrous decision to allow a free for all in terms of free movement of labour in the first place when every other country placed limitations and restrictions. I blame Labour for giving out far too generous handouts (they are generous if you live in the Northern traditional Labour seats) which have left many families stuck in a cycle of worthlessness with no way of getting out because you are told you are too lazy to be considered for a NWM job. And I blame Labour for their continued policy of telling everyone that they are in poverty whether they are or not because there are a lot of people with a lot of stuff that actually believe they are struggling with the 'cost of living' because that is what they are told every day.

Hope we win on Saturday and I shall leave my political posting at the Spectator where it normally is :)
 
Whiteley Saint said:
It's true sometimes the children are more educated than the adults about what is good and what is not. A friend of mine was overweight and was always being told by his daughter what was bad for him. He didn't take any notice until he had a heart attack last year. Now he has seen the light but it's a shame he didn't listen to his daughter.

As for the sugar levy it's a step in the right direction. There is still loads more that needs doing though. The discussion about education is a strange one. It's sometimes hard to understand how parents aren't aware of some of the health problems of certain food and drinks. It's on the news often enough, in the papers and there are programs about it but somehow I see it but parents don't. The information is there but still people seem to ignore it.
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Because most of those Parents think more of their personal gossip, facebook and Corrie time than they do of making something healthy. There are a lot of them about and a sugar tax isn't going to stop them. They were buying pepsi and Coca Cola anyway. If 20p was going to make a difference don't you think they'd have bought a cheaper Cola years ago?
 
ImpSaint said:
Politics thread on the Saints Not606 forum? Whatever next.

Haven't read much past the usual Tory bashing hatred so I'll make one post and leave it at that. After all political differences have nothing to do with the fact we are all Saints fans.

IDS' resignation is more against Osborne than against his disagreement with policy. It is plain and simple to damage Osborne's leadership chances and if it looks bad on the remain camp at the same time then all the better.

I am proud to be a Tory voter. And proud to be firmly in the leave camp. Living in the East Mids being told I am a Lazy Brit whilst not being able to get a **** job because EU migrant agency workers are given the preferment has left many people like myself and their families with a total feeling of inadequacy of having to rely on free handouts from the state to live quite comfortably.

So I am one that blames Labour for its disastrous decision to allow a free for all in terms of free movement of labour in the first place when every other country placed limitations and restrictions. I blame Labour for giving out far too generous handouts (they are generous if you live in the Northern traditional Labour seats) which have left many families stuck in a cycle of worthlessness with no way of getting out because you are told you are too lazy to be considered for a NWM job. And I blame Labour for their continued policy of telling everyone that they are in poverty whether they are or not because there are a lot of people with a lot of stuff that actually believe they are struggling with the 'cost of living' because that is what they are told every day.

Hope we win on Saturday and I shall leave my political posting at the Spectator where it normally is :)
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I agree with you on IDS' resignation - it wasn't on the proposed cuts to disability payments, but it was convenient for him to resign and do some damage.

On your other points, I couldn't be further away from you I'm afraid.

Up the Saints :)
 
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Onionman said:
If the facts your guy is spouting are true (the tax will decrease calorie intake by15 calories a day) then people will weigh over a stone less on average after ten years of this tax. So it will do something. Don't let preconceptions affect judgment of facts. My signature isn't just words. It's a logical way to decide what makes sense and what doesn't. I'm afraid what you've said doesn't fit with the article you quoted.

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<laugh> I'll let you know if I weigh a stone less in ten years. I'd rather not wait that long, but at this point in my life I'll take what I can get.
 
tomw24 said:
Corbyn's gone completely over the top. Hardly a government in complete disarray.
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Oh it is. Already torn down the middle over Europe, the tories are on the brink of civil war over cuts, most of which have barely started to take effect yet. Without the lib dems to restrain Osbourne's fiscal fundamentalism, and with the Labour Party currently largely turned in on itself, the only opposition to the Tory right will have to come from the Tory left. Expect a torrid summer.
 
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I agree with you on IDS' resignation - it wasn't on the proposed cuts to disability payments, but it was convenient for him to resign and do some damage.

On your other points, I couldn't be further away from you I'm afraid.

Up the Saints :)
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Yep. IDS has overseen swinging cuts to vunerable people over the last year or two. I think he is however basically a loyal man who would've hung on in there if Osborne and 'call me Dave' hadn't made him out to be a prize plum by insisting he support them over the last week only to crumble in the face of public criticism.

There is also a theory that he'd gone native (as much as someone with his highly privileged background and situation could) after seeing first hand the realility for many on benefits. After all this bit of sillyness was prompted by the Gov finding out that there were far more people entitled to help than they thought, it wasn't just a bunch of skivers screwing the system.
 
Interesting comments on the BBC live feed from Frank Field (Labour MP) and Tim Montgomerie (Times political columnist).

Field: http://bbc.in/1RsCaEs
Montgomerie: http://bbc.in/22tIHqc

I tend to agree with this idea but it's unlikely to happen. Pension reform is a politically toxic area - old people vote and the young don't (very broadly speaking).
 
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