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originallambrettaman said:
Claiming that the owners actions have had no effect on attendances is blinkered beyond belief.

When you consider the quality of the squad and our league position for the majority of this season, our average attendance this season is terrible.

And you can't just claim that City have **** fans, the last time we had a lower average attendance in a season, we were in League Two.
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Where did i claim that? Of course the owners have had some effect, though it didnt stop fans going last season. The seat moves pissed off a lot of good fans too. So has prices and i feel genuinely sorry for people who cant afford it. Our average attendance is no different to our last season in the Championship, you wont seem to accept that but it is.
But we do have some **** fans, they walk away at the drop of a hat and use any excuse not to go. We've always been like this.

Back to the OP. Its the FA Cup. Its Arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England. We've drawn away. We've got a night match under lights if that doesnt excite people then they really dont deserve a PL club or even a Championship club.
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
Where did i claim that? Of course the owners have had some effect, though it didnt stop fans going last season. The seat moves pissed off a lot of good fans too. So has prices and i feel genuinely sorry for people who cant afford it. Our average attendance is no different to our last season in the Championship, you wont seem to accept that but it is.
But we do have some **** fans, they walk away at the drop of a hat and use any excuse not to go. We've always been like this.

Back to the OP. Its the FA Cup. Its Arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England. We've drawn away. We've got a night match under lights if that doesnt excite people then they really dont deserve a PL club or even a Championship club.
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Probably why some people aren't arsed.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
We got 22.000 on boxing Day. We're on for 20 according to OLm on Tuesday.
We got 24.745, 9 months ago.

We get to Wembley and we'll have 28.000 "loyal" supporters.
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Weve heard before that its gonna be this and that attendance and its fallen short.
The clubs full of **** and this game and the game next Saturday should be buy over the counter ( no £2 charge ) and have a cash turnstile for upper west.
FACT !!!
 
City Man said:
Yep. Different times back then, much less money and far fewer alternatives. But if you were around at the time and chose not to go and watch City, then you probably didn't 'get' football anyway.
We hear a lot about marketing models, ROI and margins, specially as the Allams seem to go for a fewer fans paying bigger margins, rather than a full stadium paying smaller margins.
An economics expert might tell you that a perfectly marketed club is one that sells out every match because the supply matches demand, and the price is right for the product.
An accountancy expert might tell you that the profit margin at that price is excellent, a much higher profit per paying spectator than that provided by a full stadium paying a lower price.
A sales expert might tell you that spectators are not customers, and clubs need to establish a bigger core fanbase as possible to build medium and long term prosperity/loyalty.
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So, seeing as every game is sold out and they have a waiting list for season tickets tickets then Arsenal's prices are right.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Where did i claim that? Of course the owners have had some effect, though it didnt stop fans going last season. The seat moves pissed off a lot of good fans too. So has prices and i feel genuinely sorry for people who cant afford it. Our average attendance is no different to our last season in the Championship, you wont seem to accept that but it is.
But we do have some **** fans, they walk away at the drop of a hat and use any excuse not to go. We've always been like this.

Back to the OP. Its the FA Cup. Its Arsenal, one of the biggest clubs in England. We've drawn away. We've got a night match under lights if that doesnt excite people then they really dont deserve a PL club or even a Championship club.
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We might have some **** fans, but if they are that fickle, it's probably not a great idea to continue putting up obstacles and giving them the excuses not to attend.

When a club gets relegated from the Premier League, it normally holds it's attendances reasonably well, at least for a season, while people see if there is an immediate return (as it did last time we were relegated, when we averaged well over 20k). This season we just crashed and burned.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
So, seeing as every game is sold out and they have a waiting list for season tickets tickets then Arsenal's prices are right.
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From a purely marketing perspective yes.
From a purely accountancy or sales perspective, they need a bigger stadium.
Perhaps WHU's new stadium will cater for the excess demand in the capital, driven by tourism.
 
originallambrettaman said:
We might have some **** fans, but if they are that fickle, it's probably not a great idea to continue putting up obstacles and giving them the excuses not to attend.

When a club gets relegated from the Premier League, it normally holds it's attendances reasonably well, at least for a season, while people see if there is an immediate return (as it did last time we were relegated, when we averaged well over 20k). This season we just crashed and burned.
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It helps the attendance after relegation that many renewed their passes just in case we avoided the drop.
Of course a marketing genius wouldn't up the prices to over £500 before knowing which division we were in. Would they?
 
City Man said:
From a purely marketing perspective yes.
From a purely accountancy or sales perspective, they need a bigger stadium.
Perhaps WHU's new stadium will cater for the excess demand in the capital, driven by tourism.
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Tottenham will fill their new stadium and still gave a waiting list.

Real Madrid and Barcelona operate on the basis that their ground is capable of holding the maximum amount for the big games. They are both planning increases in capacity despite their average crowds been less than Man Utd.
 
It'd be nice if the fans who suggested moving E1-E3 into North hold their hands up as part of the **** up.
Any takers?
 
Castro's Coffin said:
Tottenham will fill their new stadium and still gave a waiting list.

Real Madrid and Barcelona operate on the basis that their ground is capable of holding the maximum amount for the big games. They are both planning increases in capacity despite their average crowds been less than Man Utd.
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Maybe Madrid and Barcelona need to charge less for the run of the mill games?
 
originallambrettaman said:
They already do.
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Blimey, you're an expert on everything!

Who'd have thought clubs charged a premium for big games? Who knew?
Now I wonder, how low the prices would have to go for Madrid and Barcelona to get comparable attendances for every game they play regardless of opposition?
 
City Man said:
Maybe Madrid and Barcelona need to charge less for the run of the mill games?
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According to some on here and CI Barcelona are dirt cheap. I dispute that but they insist you can watch them for less than our games.
Barcelona, Bayern and others have a membership scheme which you need to be in for preference for tickets. Get ready for the moans if City introduce something similar.
 
City Man said:
Blimey, you're an expert on everything!

Who'd have thought clubs charged a premium for big games? Who knew?
Now I wonder, how low the prices would have to go for Madrid and Barcelona to get comparable attendances for every game they play regardless of opposition?
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Looking at the prices for the game against Getafe you have to wonder about the prices for Atletico or
Real Madrid.Lambo will still say they are cheaper than here.

https://tickets-fcb.fcbarcelona.com.../step1r2?_ga=1.71821651.1306579113.1457194852
 
Castro's Coffin said:
According to some on here and CI Barcelona are dirt cheap. I dispute that but they insist you can watch them for less than our games.
Barcelona, Bayern and others have a membership scheme which you need to be in for preference for tickets. Get ready for the moans if City introduce something similar.
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They're cheap (around £15), but you need to know some locals to access these prices (as exiled does), tourist tickets are very pricey.
 
Castro's Coffin said:
Looking at the prices for the game against Getafe you have to wonder about the prices for Atletico or
Real Madrid.Lambo will still say they are cheaper than here.

https://tickets-fcb.fcbarcelona.com.../step1r2?_ga=1.71821651.1306579113.1457194852
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To reiterate, from a pure marketing viewpoint, demand/pricing will completely satisfy supply.
Of course football (like life) does not exist in some theoretical abstract universe. Each club has its unique circumstances and factors.
 
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