Off Topic EU referendum

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For me I like the fact he sticks to his views and seems to genuinely cares about people who are less fortunate. I think some of his ideas are completely nuts and unworkable. As an opposition though he will put Cameron under pressure on key issues and that's a good thing.

While I lean to the right, I cannot condone the fraud the bankers got away with and the fact there have hardly been any prosecutions. I also cannot condone people freezing in their own homes or not being able to afford food.
I still find it hard to understand why anybody leans towards the EU when they are the mos
What happens to the 1.2million brits who have left to live in the EU? will they have to all come home? If we leave.

£ taking a hammering vs the $ at the moment too.
I don't know will they? For some reason you seemed convinced they will.
 
I still find it hard to understand why anybody leans towards the EU when they are the mos

I don't know will they? For some reason you seemed convinced they will.
Well if they go and round the Brits up, then I suppose they will have to deport every person who doesn't come from a country belonging in the EU. Not likely, I don't reckon. Anyway, a lot of them people who have emigrated will have citizenship with their 'new' country.
 
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Many of them will probably take foreign nationalities if they qualify.

They won't have the EU residency rights anymore.
 
What are the pros and cons of Britain exiting/staying in the EU?

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-Britain-exiting-staying-in-the-EU

The web page I found gives some insightful arguments, opinions, and some conjecture - in the pros and cons of 'Brexit'

for example the question- People


This is controversial but the free movement of people is a big aspect of EU. That Britons can freely study in Holland or can buy a home in Spain is a benefit of the EU.
Conversely, the fact that all those Polish plumbers can work in UK is another facet. Economists would describe that as a win (better work for lower prices creates more national wealth) but it is controversial and it is less popular with people who dislike the immigration.
But if UK were to leave then those current immigrants would have no right to stay in UK; and the British working in other countries (eg Brits retired to Spain) may no longer have the right to stay there.
See If any member state were to leave the EU, would its citizens resident in other EU states also have to leave?

Britain doesn't send ANY refugees back to Greece despite EU rules because the country is 'too unsafe'
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Refugees must seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, and can be returned if they reach a richer nation. But ministers said no refugees have been returned to Greece since 2010.


if you live in a european country for 5 years you are entitled to stay its only scare mongering. Britain pays 11 billion a year into europe.
 
One more element is what are the alternatives to the EU? Most of our commonwealth countries do not need us as they have other trading partners, and the rest of the world mainly buys from China. If we go alone it could cost more because of the diminished demand by a small(ish) country.


there are countries queuing up to trade with britain, Netherlands exports 4.5 billion a year to uk and says it will continue trading regardless
 
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Yes, but we wont get preferential rights the way EU members do (Switzerland has agreements with the EU, but they still pay more than the UK currently does to trade with the EU). The cost of importing from the EU will go up, and so will the cost of exporting. EU will just realign their trade to other countries, and companies (service, financial and manufacturing) will move HQs out of the UK and into the EU where they will be able to trade more freely with a greater # of countries and decrease their overheads - unless the UK gives them better tax breaks, which means losing more money as companies will pay even less corporate tax than they do now.
scaremongering
 
What happens to the 1.2million brits who have left to live in the EU? will they have to all come home? If we leave.

£ taking a hammering vs the $ at the moment too.
germany are offering preferential treatment for brit pensioners who want to move there they will even get free medical help.
 
In or Out, here's 100,000 reasons why the EU is broken: IAN BIRRELL reports from Athens where queues of migrants are desperate to reach Germany
  • People huddle on blankets in Athens, bedded down in makeshift campsites
  • Creeping army is fleeing war and poverty in huge numbers across Europe
  • Greece's neighbours blocked borders to stop them continuing the journey
  • More than 100,000 refugees and migrants have reached Greece this year
By IAN BIRRELL IN ATHENS
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Victoria Square, which took its name from the British Queen who handed Greece back its Ionian islands, was once a haven of middle-class tranquillity, filled with shops and cafes in the heart of Athens.

Today it is a squalid repository of human misery. As I stood there on Friday night, it was easy to see why the European Union stands on the edge of devastation, its dreams of unity being dashed by the day.

This iconic place is a short stroll from the city centre, with its famous classical sites symbolising the birthplace of democracy. Yet any tourists heading there might be shocked.

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Devastation: More than 100,000 refugees and migrants have already arrived in Greece in 2016 – three times the levels of last year. They are greeted by a mixture of incompetence, inhumanity and indifference

For hundreds of bewildered migrants from Asia and North Africa sprawl across the square. They are huddled on blankets, clustered on benches and bedded down in makeshift camps under trees.

This creeping army fleeing war and poverty in such huge numbers is striking fear across Europe.

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For bumbling bureaucrats in Brussels and a generation of bickering politicians seem incapable of responding to the Continent’s biggest crisis since the Second World War. The result is that this weekend it is reaching crunch point.

This is disturbing as our nation debates its place in Europe – for those scenes confronting me in Athens will sway many voters, fearful some will end up in Britain.

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Refugees queue up in the village of Idomeme on the Greek/Macedonian border after Macedonia opened up its borders to 300 people

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A woman carries a small child as they wait at the border in the hope they will be allowed to cross into Macedonia. The build-up began in earnest last week after Macedonia started refusing entry to Afghans

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Two young girls clutch the wire fence while waiting to see if they will be allowed to cross into Macedonia. Authorities opened the Idomeni border crossing on Saturday afternoon and dozens of migrants were allowed to pass through

Hundreds more immigrants arrive here daily, their hearts set on reaching Germany – but most cannot leave. Greece’s frustrated neighbours have blocked borders to stop them reaching the rest of Europe, trying to bottle up a Continent’s problem in a bankrupt nation. This response is potentially explosive.

More than 100,000 refugees and migrants have already arrived in Greece in 2016 – three times the levels of last year. They are greeted by a mixture of incompetence, inhumanity and indifference.

Take 50-year-old Algerian Abdel Kader. ‘I bought a ferry ticket and was waved through,’ he told me. ‘Maybe I look like a European.’

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As darkness descended the refugees, many with small children continued to wait at the Greek border with Macedonia. More than 20,000 refugees and other migrants are currently on Greek soil

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Two refugees huddle together next to a barbed wire fence as darkness descended at the Greece/Macedonia border

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A young boy cries as he and his family wait to see if they will be allowed to leave Greece for Macedonia

Thus a middle-aged man from Algiers exposed the still-shambolic nature of attempts to control traffic by fingerprinting entrants so the rest of Europe knows where they arrived. What was his plan? ‘I am a truck driver. I want to drive trucks in Europe and make more money. I will go anywhere – to Germany, then to France, Belgium, even Britain.’

Europe will always be a draw for those from poorer countries – with many attracted by German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s welcoming stance. Last week 7,300 refugees and migrants from the islands landed in two days in Piraeus Port; then another 2,000 the next day before officials ordered a temporary halt to the human shipments.

Thousands more are on Greek islands. Meanwhile, 6,000 are stranded in the north of the country, with temporary camps being built after Macedonia closed borders to all except Syrians and Iraqis.

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This is disturbing as our nation debates its place in Europe – for those scenes confronting me in Athens will sway many voters, fearful some will end up in Britain. Pictured, A Syrian child carries a lifebelt before boarding a dinghy to cross the Aegean Sea to the Greek island of Lesbos

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For bumbling bureaucrats in Brussels and a generation of bickering politicians seem incapable of responding to the Continent’s biggest crisis since the Second World War. Pictured, Syrian children carry lifebelts and wear lifejackets as they prepare to board a dinghy to cross the Aegean Sea to the Greek island of Lesbos
greece should send the ****ers back 60% are Pakistanis Moroccan Algerian wtf economic scumbags
 
Apprentice winner speaks out against her brother who is fighting for ISIS in Syria and forced his wife to join him with their children
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Isaiah Siadatan, 24, joined the terror group in the summer of 2014 with two friends. One of them - the son of a Church of England vicar - has since been killed in battle. Siadatan's involvement emerged at the Old Bailey trial of four Muslim extremists, one of whom is his wife.
They were found guilty last week of aiding others to go to Syria to commit acts of terrorism, and now face jail. It can be revealed for the first time today that Siadatan is the half-brother of Yasmina, 34, who won the hit BBC series in 2009. Miss Siadatan, from Oxfordshire, appears regularly on TV, where she reviews that day's newspapers, and has discussed the issue of British jihadis fighting in Syria and Iraq on several occasions.
 
could have taken a dutch passport years ago i wont im British and proud of it.

So am I mate, but this Country (Australia) has given me a very lucrative and beautiful life for almost 50 years so I took citizenship out and pledged loyalty to Australia. This made me a 'dual citizen'. I wonder how many of these so-called refugee's would swear loyalty to England above Sharia Law. I'll tell you, NONE of them, because Sharia Law will ALWAYS come FIRST.
They think they will take over by stealth but will seal their own fate when they finally have enough numbers to take over a Town and then make Sharia Law above British Law. This will isolate them from the benefits they need to survive as British Law will not allow benefits to be paid to people living in a Caliphate of their own. Now watch some Upper Crust Tory MP make every effort to have the law changed so that Muslims can be exempt from this.
I find it amazing that nobody in England raised their hand to complain when it took a STAGGERING 16 YEARS to bring a bunch of Rapist Child Molesting Pimps to justice in Rotherham (soon to be re-named Mosque-o) but instigated a full investigation by the entire Police Force to find out who threw a Bacon Sandwich on the steps of a local Mosque.
The mind boggles!
 
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Number of UK human trafficking victims increases by 40 per cent in a year as crime gangs exploit EU free movement rules
  • Some 3,266 people have been trafficked into the UK from 102 countries
  • Victims are being exploited sexually and physically or working as slaves
  • The number of reported trafficking cases has increased by 40 per cen
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The number of suspected human trafficking victims in the UK has increased by almost 40 per cent in the last year as crime gangs exploit EU free movement rules.

In new official figures, 3,266 immigrants from 102 countries - a third of them children and more than half women – were deemed as victims of human trafficking.

Hundreds and possibly thousands more are believed to remain undetected by authorities and are surviving within the black economy living in substandard accommodation.

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The National Crime Agency is investigating reports that organised crime gangs from Romania are involved running begging and petty crime gangs around London and other major British cities

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Criminal gangs have been smuggling in people from Vietnam to operate cannabis farms, file photograph

The figures represent a 40 per cent rise on the 2,340 cases recorded in 2014. Many of those smuggled into the country and being sold into prostitution, slave labour and exploiting the benefit system.

The National Crime Agency is investigating five cases of organ harvesting, with three involving children.
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Also, 105 children are believed to have been smuggled into the country to be sexually abused, up by some 70 per cent on the previous years.

Investigators believe that Britain is being targeted by international criminal gangs who are exploiting the free movement of goods and people within much of the EU to target Britain.

The Albanian mafia is suspected of smuggling 394 adults and 206 youngsters for sex
, slave labour and domestic servitude.

A further 478 victims are believed to be from Vietnam, an increase of 121 per cent on 2014. More than half of the men and boys are understood to have been trafficked to work on illegal cannabis farms.

The National Crime Agency is also investigating organised crime gangs from Romania, including Roma gipsy criminals who have highly organised begging and pick-pocketing rings.