Must be right then - slant eyed ****s.
Just convinced me even more to vote out.
Nip bastards take all the ****ing benefits & then **** off.
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Just convinced me even more to vote out.
Nip bastards take all the ****ing benefits & then **** off.
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Below is a good post about the EU benefits
“What did the EU ever do for us?
In the week when the UK's five extremist right-wing media billionaires won their battle to waste our time, money and political capital on a EU referendum, I thought it a good time to post the great letter by Simon Sweeney in the Guardian, which he kindly allowed me to reproduce in my book, "The Prostitute State - How Britain's Democracy has Been Bought":
"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.
Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"
Please share - the anti-EU campaign will have the full force of Murdoch's and the other 4 extremist right-wing media billionaires papers whose agenda is to destroy all our human rights.
As I wrote in The Prostitute State, over 80% of UK papers are owned by five extremist right wing media billionaires: Rupert Murdoch, (Sun/Times), Barclay Brothers (Telegraph), Richard Desmond (Express) and Lord Rothermere (Daily Mail).
Murdoch is Australian living in New York, Rothermere lives in France, the Barclay Brothers in the tax havens of Monaco and Guernsey. All of them use tax haven entities to avoid UK taxes.
So key question is in light of the above list, why have these billionaires for decades tried to destroy the EU's democratic institutions?
Together we can take him/them on and beat him/them.
peace love respect
Donnachadh x
www.theprostitutestate.co.uk
https://www.facebook.com/The-Prosti...t-305771012945726/?ref=notif¬if_t=page_fan
“What did the EU ever do for us?
In the week when the UK's five extremist right-wing media billionaires won their battle to waste our time, money and political capital on a EU referendum, I thought it a good time to post the great letter by Simon Sweeney in the Guardian, which he kindly allowed me to reproduce in my book, "The Prostitute State - How Britain's Democracy has Been Bought":
"What did the EU ever do for us?
Not much, apart from: providing 57% of our trade;
structural funding to areas hit by industrial decline;
clean beaches and rivers;
cleaner air;
lead free petrol;
restrictions on landfill dumping;
a recycling culture;
cheaper mobile charges;
cheaper air travel;
improved consumer protection and food labelling;
a ban on growth hormones and other harmful food additives;
better product safety;
single market competition bringing quality improvements and better industrial performance;
break up of monopolies;
Europe-wide patent and copyright protection;
no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the single market;
price transparency and removal of commission on currency exchanges across the eurozone;
freedom to travel, live and work across Europe;
funded opportunities for young people to undertake study or work placements abroad;
access to European health services;
labour protection and enhanced social welfare;
smoke-free workplaces;
equal pay legislation;
holiday entitlement;
the right not to work more than a 48-hour week without overtime;
strongest wildlife protection in the world;
improved animal welfare in food production;
EU-funded research and industrial collaboration;
EU representation in international forums;
bloc EEA negotiation at the WTO;
EU diplomatic efforts to uphold the nuclear non-proliferation treaty;
European arrest warrant;
cross border policing to combat human trafficking, arms and drug smuggling; counter terrorism intelligence;
European civil and military co-operation in post-conflict zones in Europe and Africa;
support for democracy and human rights across Europe and beyond;
investment across Europe contributing to better living standards and educational, social and cultural capital.
All of this is nothing compared with its greatest achievements: the EU has for 60 years been the foundation of peace between European neighbours after centuries of bloodshed.
It furthermore assisted the extraordinary political, social and economic transformation of 13 former dictatorships, now EU members, since 1980.
Now the union faces major challenges brought on by neoliberal economic globalisation, and worsened by its own systemic weaknesses. It is taking measures to overcome these. We in the UK should reflect on whether our net contribution of £7bn out of total government expenditure of £695bn is good value. We must play a full part in enabling the union to be a force for good in a multi-polar global future.
Simon Sweeney,
Lecturer in international political economy, University of York"
Please share - the anti-EU campaign will have the full force of Murdoch's and the other 4 extremist right-wing media billionaires papers whose agenda is to destroy all our human rights.
As I wrote in The Prostitute State, over 80% of UK papers are owned by five extremist right wing media billionaires: Rupert Murdoch, (Sun/Times), Barclay Brothers (Telegraph), Richard Desmond (Express) and Lord Rothermere (Daily Mail).
Murdoch is Australian living in New York, Rothermere lives in France, the Barclay Brothers in the tax havens of Monaco and Guernsey. All of them use tax haven entities to avoid UK taxes.
So key question is in light of the above list, why have these billionaires for decades tried to destroy the EU's democratic institutions?
Together we can take him/them on and beat him/them.
peace love respect
Donnachadh x
www.theprostitutestate.co.uk
https://www.facebook.com/The-Prosti...t-305771012945726/?ref=notif¬if_t=page_fan
Having looked into everything, I am very much on the side of the "in" campaign. Propaganda from both sides has been a bit crazy nor do I feel that the negotiations drawn up by Cameron are enough, the EU is far too much of a big player (for good) in our lives for it to be dismissed. Financially, the impact of being in or out doesn't appear to be that large (or not something we couldn't recover from should the worst happen) but I feel politically (which the EU is more about) we need them.
Without them, our numpty leaders will run amok.
Without them, our numpty leaders will run amok.
STILL WANT TO BE PART OF THE EU?
Turkish citizens will be allowed visa-free access to continental Europe as part of a deal which could see the country join the EU in exchange for helping with the migrant crisis.
EU leaders on Sunday signed a deal meaning that Ankara will take back deported migrants from European countries in exchange for visa restrictions to be lifted and talks on Turkey joining the EU to be accelerated.
The agreement, which will be worth €3 billion (£2.1 billion) to Turkey, calls on Ankara to do more to stop refugees illegally travelling to across to Greece from its western border.
However, it means that Turkish people will be given the right to travel to EU countries in the Schengen zone – which Britain is not a part of – from next year.
The EU also said that it will re-open talks on whether to allow Turkey, which has a population of more than 70 million, to join the EU.
Critics have warned that allowing Turkey to join the EU would result in large numbers of migrants attempting to travel to the UK.
Minutes after sealing the deal, Ahmet Davutoglu, the Turkish prime minister, insisted he could give no guarantees that the number of migrants would fall after all.
"Nobody can guarantee anything regarding the issue in Syria. I wish to say to you that the migrants will decline, but we can't say this, as we don't know what will be going on in Syria.
"But I can guarantee that Turkey will be completing all the promises mentioned in the joint action plan, and there will be much more regular migration, rather than illegal immigration."
Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, on Sunday said that talks over Turkey’s membership of the EU have been “re-energised”.
Turkish citizens will be allowed visa-free access to continental Europe as part of a deal which could see the country join the EU in exchange for helping with the migrant crisis.
EU leaders on Sunday signed a deal meaning that Ankara will take back deported migrants from European countries in exchange for visa restrictions to be lifted and talks on Turkey joining the EU to be accelerated.
The agreement, which will be worth €3 billion (£2.1 billion) to Turkey, calls on Ankara to do more to stop refugees illegally travelling to across to Greece from its western border.
However, it means that Turkish people will be given the right to travel to EU countries in the Schengen zone – which Britain is not a part of – from next year.
The EU also said that it will re-open talks on whether to allow Turkey, which has a population of more than 70 million, to join the EU.
Critics have warned that allowing Turkey to join the EU would result in large numbers of migrants attempting to travel to the UK.
Minutes after sealing the deal, Ahmet Davutoglu, the Turkish prime minister, insisted he could give no guarantees that the number of migrants would fall after all.
"Nobody can guarantee anything regarding the issue in Syria. I wish to say to you that the migrants will decline, but we can't say this, as we don't know what will be going on in Syria.
"But I can guarantee that Turkey will be completing all the promises mentioned in the joint action plan, and there will be much more regular migration, rather than illegal immigration."
Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, on Sunday said that talks over Turkey’s membership of the EU have been “re-energised”.
I'd regret us leaving.
We had the same scaremongering when Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU, with anti-EU politicians claiming there would be 2 million + immigrants direct from those two countries. 9 years later the figure still hasn't reached 100,000.
There's been about 70-75,000 Bulgarians and Romanians in the last two years, so it probably has gone over 100k in total
There's been about 70-75,000 Bulgarians and Romanians in the last two years, so it probably has gone over 100k in total
That's those coming in. It takes no account of those who have returned home since they arrived at any point since 2007. The net figure is still below 100,000.
Edit: And still nowhere near the scaremongering figures of 2 million +
We are however at a high point of net migration to the uk and being part of the EU is a huge obstacle to having any control over numbers.
It's in both the Census figures and in the immigration figures on the .gov website
That I don't disagree with. However, I also don't see it as all negative. Most (not all) migrants make a net contribution to the economy. That is even before you look at other positives we gain from being a member of the EU.
That's a lot of the same ****s who are telling you that we should leave the EU
Lots of migrants make a net contribution to the economy but there have also been particular areas and/or industries that have been negatively effected by the influx of people. There's the issue of how quickly we are able to develop infrastructure to deal with an increasing population and the issue of how you manage the type of workers (skilled, non-skilled etc) when you aren't able to put any conditions on immigration. I think we have benefited massively as a nation from immigrants but I do think we should be able to control our borders and I don't think that's possible within the EU.
I totally agree about the developing of infrastructure. However, I believe that immigration is a convenient scapegoat that diverts our attention away from a general decline in investing in infrastructure overall. This country needs a huge increase in infrastructure investment. That investment would also provide a boost to all sectors of the economy and is only being avoided for idealistic reasons. Our infrastructure is crumbling with or without immigration.
Correction. That is the number of people of working age, excluding children and students.
But they have about 20 kids each so that's 2,000,000 so the figures are right after all.Correction. That is the number of people of working age, excluding children and students.
