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Winter Transfer Window

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by remembercolinlee, Nov 26, 2015.

  1. redwhiteandermblue

    redwhiteandermblue Well-Known Member

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    Okay, I now have my hopes up that we’ll have a deal for Berahino fall through at the last moment.

    In fact, I don’t want him for half the price we’d likely pay for him. I don’t like his attitude, I don’t think he’d be a good fit for our system, and I would rather take my chances with Alli/Son/Chadli. I’m disappointed we didn’t get Dembélé junior, not because I prefer him to any/all of those for the remainder of this year, but because I think 5 million or so would be good business, and provide us with someone who could be better than who we have next year.

    I’m also a little annoyed that after a window where we did business early, we’re back to the old scrambling around. Another point is that while I don’t think improving our striker situation is feasible this window, I think we could have done so last window, and we could have gotten a Stambouli type to give Dier the rest he never gets.

    On the other hand: we have an excellent group of talented young players who are all eager for playing time, and who have played together under Pochettino for at least half a year. While we don’t have adequate cover at DM or striker, there’s something to be said for playing players out of position rather than bumping players looking for minutes farther down the pecking order. My hope is that Pochettino will be resourceful and flexible in how he uses this squad. Somehow, some way, he has to avoid burning out Kane and Dier. Dier’s the harder one of the two to replace, I think. If we got a decent right back, Alderweireld might be able to do the job. I think we know at this point that nobody else could, with the exception of Dembélé, who shouldn’t replace him due to his injury history.
     
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  2. Spurlock

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  3. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    It's got to the point where I would be happy to take Dembele in the summer so as to avoid more of this farcical nonsense. Up to now, we haven't even got that! Unbelievable
     
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  5. The Huddlefro

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    I still don't understand the whole Dembele II situation. We clearly wanted him and were mere details away (medical passed, terms agreed seemingly) from getting a player we wanted for a price everybody was happy with. If we wanted him anyway for the long term why didn't we just buy him once it was clear he would have to stay at Fulham regardless, then go hunting for an immediate incoming striker? Hell, Levy could even have tried to pull the price down a bit if we weren't getting him now, and put the extra funds towards another striker even if it was a purely short term fix.

    Ultimately I fear for us if Kane is our only striking option. It would be bad enough seeing Son or Chadli or Clint playing a one off game to give Kane a rest (there are no easy games now anyway), let alone if we had to rely on one of them for a longer period of time.
     
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  6. redwhiteandermblue

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    I wonder if there isn’t some combination of forwards that would work out well. I’m less worried about playing, say, Dier, Dembélé, Chadli, Eriksen, Son and Alli when there is fixture congestion than I am about trying to play Kane every single game from now on.
     
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    I'm not convinced by the argument that we absolutely need to sign a striker in this window. Yes of course it would be better to have direct cover for Kane but in reality that's not quite possible anyway. This Spurs squad has several great qualities, it's young, it's flexible, it's interchangeable, and it appears, happy. The 'NEW STRIKER' has to fit into the group and he would be bought to score goals. We have goals in this squad already we have the joint best goal difference in the league we have goalscorers in abundance:

    Kane 16
    Lamela 8
    Ali 6
    Eriksen 6
    Chadli 5
    Son 5
    Dembele 4
    Dier 4
    Carroll 3
    Toby 2
    Mason 1
    Walker 1

    Those figures alone suggest the squad is more important than the individual. Not forgetting the not unimportant point that a new striker could come in like Soldado not click and reduce our abilities not improve them.

    Many of our posters invest a lot of interest in the transfer potential available and what it could do for us, best placed to make these judgements are Levy & Pochettino.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Haha for what it's worth mate I really can't see it happening but just passed on the text I got. I believe that maybe we did offer a deal but I think Peace rejected it, if anything we could've really done with Saido having a mare against Peterborough the other night but seeing as grabbed a brace I think he's sort of reminded Peace and everyone that he is indeed a good striker and therefore WBA will only sell for premium dollar or wait until the Summer.

    The Dembele deal was a weird one, I get a feeling Fulham changed stances on it, I reckon we were set to sign him immediately as Fulham had a replacement lined up which likely failed and therefore demanded Dembele stayed til the Summer which we didn't want.

    I have faith in Chadli or Son to produce up top, obviously not to the levels of Kane but the talent is there for the pair of them to step up as the lone striker. The midfield has a lot of goals in them anyway, Kane grabs a lot of headlines because he's our poster boy and England's wonderkid but the likes of Chadli, Son, Lamela, Eriksen and Alli are more than capable of finding the net and as we've seen recently Tommy Carroll and Dembele are also capable of chipping in too. In fact so is Dier... And Toby!!! <laugh>.

    I think Mason is probably best to replace Dier, not because he's anywhere near as defensively sound but he's more industrious than the other midfielders, I'd say he covers more ground than the other guys and so I'd entrust him to use his work rate in the hope it helps out defensively for when we need to rest Dier, he also doesn't make sloppy passes in our own half like Bentaleb has done at times this season. Either way, whoever plays, Poch has them grafting their arses off and that's all I ever ask for from a Spurs player, as long as I know the effort is there then I can appreciate that. It's also worth remembering that Mason and Bentaleb were our pairing last season which saw us finish 5th, so while they're currently seen as backups to Mousa and Dier, they're not really of a much poorer calibre that makes me believe we'll be massively weakened if either are needed to step into Dier's position.
     
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    Right SoS now that we have both explained why we don't need Berahino expect Spurs to sign him <laugh>
     
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    Didn't dembele have a medical with us at the weekend? If so, it's probably worth remembering that if that's been taken care of, that deal could literally go to the wire. There's still hope!
     
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  11. The Huddlefro

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    My concern about Kane isn't that nobody else in the squad scores goals, your stats above prove we have plenty of goals around the team. My concern is that Kane is so central to how we play that without a similar figure in that position, the effectiveness of other players is diminished. Chadli is probably the one who would play up there as he has the best physical presence and I just do not have the confidence in his ability to play as a striker.

    Berahino or Dembele II would bring different qualities to that position true, and the former might even play with Kane on occasion, but they're more or less specialist strikers who are used to linking up with other players from that position, whereas with Chadli or Son up there we'd be playing without a focal point (but with even more fluidity than usual, true) and it would completely change the dynamic of the team in my opinion, in a way that we haven't really played with a lot of consistent success yet.

    We of course need the RIGHT striker, I'm not saying we sign anyone for the sake of it, but I'd feel more comfortable with a specialist to back up Kane even if they'd be a slightly different type of player.

    Late bid for Jay Rodriguez anyone?
     
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  12. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Very true mate, probably all that's needed is a fax/ email between the two clubs confirming the transfer...




    Which will get done at 11:01pm and thus miss the deadline <laugh>
     
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  13. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    Why are you lot torturing yourselves...?
    There will be no signings,
    Zilch,
    Nada
    Zeo
    Sod all
    Nuffing bruv
    None
    Nil
     
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  14. KingHotspur

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    Someone please tell me another club that only has one striker?

    I don't just mean in the Premier League, I mean at any level.
     
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    Spain played with none in the WCF?

    We are just as good as them, I'd say.
     
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    Completely agree. If we believe that we don't need Kane in every game, why's he always there? Colchester was the perfect opportunity to try it but he still played. Strikers are not just about goals, especially lone strikers. Without aspecialist spearhead I see the ball coming back at us over and over again as we fail to hold onto it. Just like the latter part of the 2nd half at Leicester when we brought Kane off the bench to help us retain the ball.
     
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  17. remembercolinlee

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    Villa...they ain't got a single footballer in their team<laugh>
     
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  18. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Could makes cases with:

    Arsenal with Giroud.
    Barca with Suarez.
    Real with Benzema.
    Bayern with Lewandowski.

    They all have players that can score goals from wide positions or play as an emergency forward though but then in fairness so do we.
     
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  19. The Huddlefro

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    I would argue that Arsenal have Walcott who is probably better as a central striker than Chadli or Son, Barca are effective as long as 2 of the 'MSN' are playing (especially if one of those is Messi), Benzema is also not Real's main goal threat by a long shot, and Bayern have players like Muller who can fill in as a 9, or they can play without a striker and still dominate teams in their domestic league. Kane is not the best player on that list but I would argue he is as important, if not more important, to the success of Spurs as any of the above are to their teams.
     
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  20. The Changing Man

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    How many teams with all these extra strikers have scored more goals in the league? .......
    2 in the premier league and if we include the football league too well that will be 4 out of 96!
     
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