Been discussing the prospect of Haye v Joshua. Consensus view Joshua not ready for Haye yet. Watching the Joshua fight with White. Joshua is very inefficient trying to finish him off early and looked a bit school-boyish when under attack. Haye is very efficient and better at getting out of the way. An early fight and Haye would take him out.
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This Shane McGuigan that trains Haye now is only 27, I was surprised as usually it's an older guy in your corner isn't it. I think he trained Carl Frampton as well. He's from good stock anyway and obviously must know his stuff. Will Haye end up meeting Fury do ya reckon?
I think we'll have to wait to see if Fury turns up to watch Haye in his next fight. 
Interesting seeing Haye sparring with Wilder. Made Wilder look silly and almost knocked him out
Interesting seeing Haye sparring with Wilder. Made Wilder look silly and almost knocked him out
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And the award for the most irrelevant post goes to....
Completely agree, no way they're risking Haye for Joshua anytime soon. As good as Joshua's ko of Whyte was, he showed plenty of inexperience and naivety along the way and Dillian Whyte is no David Haye.
Seeing as Fury has spat his dummy out and is insisting he won't give Haye a pay day I think Haye will likely target the new IBF champ take his belt and have more to bargain with for any unification fights in the future
Think Furys more interested in Wilder as it's a much bigger fight smokey. What did you make of him last night? I only seen the KO myself.
Wilder makes more sense much bigger fight globally. Haye would only really interest domestically I can't see the Americans paying too much attention to it. Id have liked to have seen Fury face Wilder rather than a Klitschko rematch as I honestly think there's a real danger of Wlad getting his titles back and the heavyweight division becoming a snooze fest again.
I like wilder as a man he comes across well in interviews and seems to respect the profession and his opponents but I've always thought he's looked very limited as a fighter. His movement is poor and his defence is practically non existent. Can't blame him for relying on his power as it's worked for him so far but as he fights a better class of fighter he might find himself in trouble. His mandatory is Alexander Povetkin and if that fight happens we should learn a lot more about Wilder as a fighter and a champion as Povetkin will give him plenty to think about.
I don't think Tyson Fury is afraid of anyone and nor should he be, he's an unbeaten young fighter who in his last fight ripped the world heavyweight titles from a fighter who was seen as unbeatable. As for Haye/Fury, if they had fought when they were supposed to I think Haye would have knocked him out with little fuss. Now I'm not so sure. Haye has been out for a long time and one ko win against an unknown bum doesn't mean he's back to his best. I can only speculate so to answer your question IF Haye is back or does get back to his best then he beats Fury but that's a big IF. But how ****ing great is it that the heavyweight division is finally worth discussing again and I still can't believe we have Tyson Fury to thank for that! I've made no secret about my feelings towards him but him beating Klitschko was best thing that could have happened and I really can't believe I'm about to type this but I hope he wins the rematch aswell just for the sake of the sport and the heavyweight division
What I want to know is how David Haye can weigh in a stone heavier than when he fought 3 years ago, and still look completely shredded.
Its Amazing how effective these protein shakes are these days
Its Amazing how effective these protein shakes are these days
Shergy, being a gym junkie, you'd know more about this stuff the most of us, so hopefully you can help us out a bit. From what I've been reading, Haye has been bulk eating. Every two hours he ties on the feed bag, even at night. He even sets the alarm so he doesn't miss a feed. Accord to the man, he used to fight about a stone under his natural weight which was around 16 stone. In the past he fought at around 15 stone. He likes where he now at 17. He's also said he's now vegan, and it seems that he's not alone in this. There are others also on the same diet. Some people are saying that he's making a big mistake in carrying this well honed bulk and that his best prospects for the future, would be to move back down and try and keep as much speed as possible. Others are saying even with the extra bulk, he's still one of the fastest heavyweights in the game. So for them, it's a win, win. He's still quick and he has a bit extra power. Even though De Mori was rated 10, he really isn't much good, so it's all still pretty much up in the air at the moment. Is he doing the right thing here in going vegan and bulking up big time?
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When Joshua gets the experience he will take Haye to pieces. Haye was a great athlete with big speed- he may well be blunting his own biggest weapon by adding weight like he did this weekend.
People say Haye would stop Josh early but AJ will only need to connect once on Haye- Haye is not someone who takes shots quite as well as others. I'm not sure Joshua would be quite the standing target that Mark De Mori was either. Haye ran all round the ring to avoid Klitschkos right hand because he fears true heavyweight power and there is no way he will stand and trade with Joshua either.
Joshua next 3-4 fights are key in his journey- he needs to learn as he did against Whyte. He came through some difficult moments there and he now knows what 7 brutal rounds feels like.
In a way it's good that Joshua has some doubters as it gives an opportunity for a backable price when he does fight one of the big names. On the flip side- you'd want him to look fitter, more controlled, and smarter when under pressure than he did when caught by Whytes left hook on the way in when recklessly trying to finish him off.
As for Deontay Wilder- he simply has a punchers chance. He's getting knocked out, but hopefully not until he has been hyped to the hilt by the Americans before he fights one of our top guys.
This man is a master. If he's not targeting Wilder, I'd be hugely surprised. The crowd reception is really heated. If and when the fight takes place, the US will flock to it. You can bet your balls that by the time the fight takes place, Fury will a detested man. Scroll down a bit and take in the crowd's reactions. Below that is another clip with Wilder chatting. I think just might happen. **** I love this stuff.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/deontay-im-going-hurt-tyson-fury-real-real-bad/
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/deontay-im-going-hurt-tyson-fury-real-real-bad/
Meal timing from my own experiences, and from reading a lot about it, is somewhat overstated. It does play a small role, but to gain weight the most important thing is to eat more calories than your body needs a day. When you eat them isn't as important as some would lead us to believe. The main reason pros eat every 2 hours is because they might have 12,000+ calories they need to eat in a day, so it's easier to consume them all if they spread them out more.
This eating every 2 hours at night, would be counterproductive, as one of the biggest keys to muscle growth is getting plenty of sleep, your body repairs when you sleep. So interrupting it every 2 hours can't be beneficial. Having read a lot about this, I don't recall any pros saying they set alarms to eat.
It probably is possible to bulk up on a Vegan diet, but for a big guy like Haye who would need about 230g of protein a day that's not going to be easy to do. There's a lot more protein in foods like Steak and Chicken, than there is in typical Vegan foods like Nuts and seeds.
Your ability to pack on muscle naturally also slows as you age, due to testosterone levels decreasing. You should know being a man, that your drive was a lot higher in your 20s than it was in your 30s. And it's the same hormone that builds muscle. Your body also has a limit, where it will not gain any more muscle regardless of what you do.
In terms of how it will affect his performance in the ring, it certainly won't make him slower. Your muscles are like an engine in a car, the bigger it is the faster the car will move. But it will also use up more energy faster. So the only thing I see it affecting is his stamina, but he was always a small heavyweight anyways, so it shouldn't put him at a disadvantage to the guys he's facing. The extra stone of power can only help IMO.
Alot of things don't really add up with Haye, how can he be in better shape now after 3 years of retirement than when he was younger? Why has it taken him til he's 35 to realise he had the genetics to gain another stone of muscle? Did he not think in his previous career that this extra stone of muscle would come in handy, especially when he was a relatively small heavyweight?
And his story about how's he's done it doesn't make to much sense either, especially the part about waking up every 2 hours to eat. No personal trainer with any sense would advise you to do this
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bookies go 8/11 Joshua 6/4 Haye
As good as Haye looked the other night, he was fighting a complete bum. Joshua would have ripped through him in a round too.
I think if the fight does go ahead, then Hayes return will be short lived. Joshua will inflict Hayes first defeat by KO, sending him back into retirement. I don't see any other result to be honest
As good as Haye looked the other night, he was fighting a complete bum. Joshua would have ripped through him in a round too.
I think if the fight does go ahead, then Hayes return will be short lived. Joshua will inflict Hayes first defeat by KO, sending him back into retirement. I don't see any other result to be honest