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observed changes since the 1950s are unprecedented

 

When did industrialisation start again?

 

The medieval warming period did not exist eh.

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http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.fi/2014/02/how-climate-fraudsters-tried-to-get-rid.html

All these studies showing it was real.

Though Jonathan Overpeck, one of the core of liars said he'd like to deal a mortal blow to the medieval warming period, and soon after the hockeystick graph came out and boom, medieval warming period gone.

They disappeared it by preventing others citing it. Stop scientific citations and you literally disappear the papers.

Thing is, you are obliged to explain in your paper why all of the above are wrong. They did not do that at all.

#religiouscult

 

What the industrial revolution?

 

@Tobes

Any snow over there? If you read the independent they talk like the UK just turned into the arctic Just silly

 

A graph without any values......

 

Here's a picture of what life was like when we were 80%+ renewable energy sources

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Not as scary as a 1c degree rise (possibly not probably) in 100 years

 

That's Salford today.

 

So, are you still saying the southern hemisphere was under water @ 1000 years ago? I'm confused again.

 

By (NASA) DrJames Hansen, Reto Ruedy, Jay Glascoe and Makiko Sato — August 1999

"in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country"

pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1999/1999_Hansen_etal_1.pdf

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In 1989 NOAA also reported no warming in the US over the past century.

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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend – NYTimes.com


In 1974, The National Center For Atmospheric Research (NCAR) generated this graph of global temperatures, showing a large spike in the 1940’s, rapid cooling to 1970 and net cooling from 1900 to 1970. matches Hansen at NASA 1999

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denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf


n 1975, the National Academy of Sciences published a very similar graph for Northern hemisphere temperatures, which also showed net cooling from 1900 to 1970.

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Page 148 : understandingcli00unit.pdf


Not surprisingly, this change coincided with James Hansen’s interest in demonstrating a CO2 driven warming trend.

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Challenge_chapter2.pdf

This pattern of NASA making the past cooler and the present warmer has occurred repeatedly since NASA became chartered with proving global warming. The past keeps getting colder.

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1981: Challenge_chapter2.pdf
2001: Fig.A.ps
current: Fig.A.gif


Actual measurements from NOAA's network "before remodeling data" shows the same

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So someone is telling porkies

 

I believe you makey the joke.. ?

Most of the southern hemisphere is ocean and was 1000 years ago. What's your point

 

nothing to do with astronomy, but we did mention orcas yesterday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0147dw3

This is the scientist we went swimming with in the bay of islands, NZ, about a decade ago (though not with orca -she'll only let specialists do that). Fascinating stuff. Do you know female dolphins (including orca) can control their egg supply so that the females choose when to have sex for fun (they do, evidently), to reproduce, or just to become 'educators', as such, demonstrating to the youngsters how to catch prey. very matriarchal families.

Don't know whether she still does the trips, but if you're ever down in NZ and you find yourself near to Russell you could do worse than experience it.

The sperm whale watching off kaikura (sp) is awesome too.

 

most of the planet is water. there's three and a half continents in the southern hemisphere. Not being picky, I was just confused as to what you meant by medieval period, and why they couldn't get land samples.

But yes, that's why the southern hemisphere doesn't get as warm in (their) winter as we do, in that land stores heat more than water.

 

Women could learn a lot from Dolphins

I was a big hobbyist for marines and freshwater tropical fish up till I moved to Finland.
Molly females will mate with a male and can keep the juice to fertilise her eggs for months after mating.

You have to wonder how these obviously aware creatures are allowed to be bred in captivity by Sea World and the likes.

 

"most of the planet is water" means what exactly? 70% water, and it's irrelevant to the point Donga, you digress. "there is three and a half continents in the Southern Hemisphere" means what? it is still mostly water and a massive ice shelf that has no paleo climate data to be gathered, as it's been like that thousands of years before the Medieval warming period, it's been cooling for 10.000 years there so no plant life or fossils or tree rings and the like can be used as proxies for a paleo record 1000 years ago.

I dont know why there are fewer records for the tropics.



The point was, they (the CRU and then IPCC) said the Medieval warming period did not happen.

Privately, in emails they said "there is not enough Southern Hemisphere and Tropics data to say it was global"

Now here is the thing, I never said any such thing, I quoted what the man made climate change scientists said. They said it in order to put doubt on the MWP, so your arguments are with what they claimed not me. That is where you are confused.

I referred to this admission in the leaked email as evidence they made up almost all of the 120 year temperature record for the Southern Hemisphere. Emphasis on no data for the expanse of ocean there.

 

Fair enough. but when you originally posted the reference to the medieval period I asked the question then, but got no answer. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Again you cherry pick sentences and post them out of context.

The entire piece is far more balanced and puts that sentence into context.


We describe the current GISS analysis of surface temperature change for the period 1880- 1999 based primarily on meteorological station measurements. The global surface temperature in 1998 was the warmest in the period of instrumental data. The rate of temperature change was higher in the past 25 years than at any previous time in the period of instrumental data. The warmth of 1998 was too large and pervasive to be fully accounted for by the recent El Nino. Despite cooling in the first half of 1999, we suggest that the mean global temperature, averaged over 2-3 years, has moved to a higher level, analogous to the increase that occurred in the late 1970s. Warming in the United States over the past 50 years has been smaller than in most of the world, and over that period there was a slight cooling trend in the eastern United States and the neighboring Atlantic Ocean. The spatial and temporal patterns of the temperature change suggest that more than one mechanism was involved in this regional cooling. The cooling trend in the United States, which began after the 1930s and is associated with ocean temperature change patterns, began to reverse after 1979. We suggest that further warming in the United States to a level rivaling the 1930s is likely in the next decade,

 

Hmmm. Not my field, so I wait to be corrected- but I thought it was the other way around?
The heat capacity of water is higher than that of most other substances. It takes longer to store the energy, and longer to release it.
This has the effect of slowing seasonal changes near coasts as water absorbs a lot of the heat from the land.
This might be a semantic difference, I suppose it's fair to say land heats up (and cools down) quicker than water.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35321130

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