Koeman poll

[Schad]

That's what they have to decide.

They also need to decide exactly how they want to apply this philosophy as it pertains to future managers. I'm not a big believer in the autonomous manager model, but if you're going to have the head coach as 'just one head of a department' in Cortese's phrasing, they need to be that, always. This:

SFC is not an unfeeling corporate machine, and in times of goals aplenty and top eight places there is leeway on our methods, but given that most departments have voiced concerns over the direction and atmosphere of the first team, and those who are seemingly barred from joining it, adding to Koeman's unwillingness to commit and our horrific run of results (Information that has been passed on end)

...is entirely understandable, but it's also not difficult to see where it can cause things to break down. When things were going well, Koeman was given leeway to operate as he wished. When things took a turn for the worse, the board and other departments wanted a greater level of control over operations. You cannot structure an organization such that authority is given and taken away dependent on short-term results, or you're going to get power struggles.

 

[RedandWhiteManofKent]

RAWMOK, here's the issue. Yes, give him the month - I am all for that. The problem then is if you are the Board and you have an issue with some of the off field stuff (youth players, discipline, etc, etc) what do you do about backing his judgment in the transfer market in the next three weeks, knowing he may be gone a week after that?

You are right FLT, that is a big issue and it is a difficult one. I guess now is the time that the board need to back him or sack him.

Personally I would like to see him backed fully as manager and in the transfer market and see this storm out. We can get the results we need.

This is football however and its not always that simple.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

Not everything in life works out...look at people who marry the perfect person and get divorced a few years later. Our research for the right players and managers may reduce the chance of failure, but it can never be perfect....when things go wrong you have to look at it as just another piece of datum. Unless there is a super manager just hanging round the job centre, it may be best to give Koeman longer...but who knows.

 

[AL.]

I voted keep him. For me, it isn't even an issue. Things will turn around, and I hope the board get the cheque book out this month.

 

[Saints_Alive]

If there is a difference of opinion about the direction of the club and its' philosophy between Koeman and Reed, then there will only be one winner as much as it pains me to say so. Ron's candid honesty is refreshing and is a part of why he is so popular but I believe the money invested in Staplewood is a big part of the club's business model and they wish to see a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
I'm firmly in the keep Koeman camp, but he will have to start to show a bit more faith in the young players at some point if he is to stay here.

 

[Saintjoey]

If there is a difference of opinion about the direction of the club and its' philosophy between Koeman and Reed, then there will only be one winner as much as it pains me to say so. Ron's candid honesty is refreshing and is a part of why he is so popular but I believe the money invested in Staplewood is a big part of the club's business model and they wish to see a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
I'm firmly in the keep Koeman camp, but he will have to start to show a bit more faith in the young players at some point if he is to stay here.

Echoed.

 

[Lovelocum]

I'm firmly in the keep Koeman camp, but he will have to start to show a bit more faith in the young players at some point if he is to stay here.

I'm in the Koran camp, problem is if they're not good enough they're not good enough. Korean says "target is ready, reed is almost ready". Looking at target so far I would give reed a couple more seasons and not hold my breath on the rest of them.

 

[ImpSaint]

So pleased it was an anonymous vote, now no one will know I voted out if we lose to Watford.

 

[Beef]

I'm in the Koran camp, problem is if they're not good enough they're not good enough. Korean says "target is ready, reed is almost ready". Looking at target so far I would give reed a couple more seasons and not hold my breath on the rest of them.

Do you watch much of the Academy?

 

[saintlyhero]

If there is a difference of opinion about the direction of the club and its' philosophy between Koeman and Reed, then there will only be one winner as much as it pains me to say so. Ron's candid honesty is refreshing and is a part of why he is so popular but I believe the money invested in Staplewood is a big part of the club's business model and they wish to see a return on that investment sooner rather than later.
I'm firmly in the keep Koeman camp, but he will have to start to show a bit more faith in the young players at some point if he is to stay here.

Targett was pretty poor against Palace. JWP was dangerous from set plays, but I doubt many saints fans would include him in there first choice xi

Basically my point is, Ron is not exactly holding back major talents like at Man City & Chelsea

Hopefully if we can get to 40 points quickly then we can experiment and throw the youth in, but understand why Ron does not wish to gamble.

 

[Tintin]

Do you watch much of the Academy?

I don't think that question needs asking. Some people can't form their own opinion. Koeman could say, or do, anything and some people on here wouldn't question, disagree or criticise.

 

[Tintin]

Targett was pretty poor against Palace. JWP was dangerous from set plays, but I doubt many saints fans would include him in there first choice xi

Basically my point is, Ron is not exactly holding back major talents like at Man City & Chelsea

Hopefully if we can get to 40 points quickly then we can experiment and throw the youth in, but understand why Ron does not wish to gamble.

Playing Reed from game one wouldn't have been a gamble. Reed is a good enough DM to play at this level and will only get better. Better on the ball that is, it's very difficult to improve off the ball imo. In the sense that he is already unbelievably good off the ball.

 

[ImpSaint]

Targett was pretty poor against Palace. JWP was dangerous from set plays, but I doubt many saints fans would include him in there first choice xi

Basically my point is, Ron is not exactly holding back major talents like at Man City & Chelsea

Hopefully if we can get to 40 points quickly then we can experiment and throw the youth in, but understand why Ron does not wish to gamble.

I understand what you are saying there but at the end of the day the Board have made clear that the business model is one that involves bringing through players from the academy and play a specific way. That means that they employ managers that are agreeable to that business model. If the current manager id not only not playing the 'Southampton Way' but also not choosing players in 'The Southampton Way' then he isn't the ideal man to be in charge of the front end of 'The Southampton Way'.

Like I said on the academy thread (I think it was that one) before I even saw that Guan post. I suspect the board has questioned Koeman on his lack of use of academy players as even late subs and that him coming out with his attack on the academy payers quality was a retort to that. I get a feeling many posters on here (not just the ones that shout a lot) are questioning how he knows they are not good enough when he doesn't give them any minutes to prove they can do so, after all a youngster in an experienced side has more chance of doing well than alongside other youngsters in a 'meaningless' development game.

The adrenalin of playing in front of thousands of adoring fans and the pride that you are being given that chance may well bring a player up a level or 2. We wouldn't be clamourring for Reed to be given more chances if we had never seen him. Koeman saying he is nearly there is nothing that we couldn't see for ourselves and he was 'nearly there' under Pochetino. All we have to go on with the players that have not been given a chance is Koeman's word. We won't know if Seager is way off, nearly there, Already there or never going to make it until he is played in the first team and given the chance. The step up can be too much for some great youth players but can be the making of others that aren't as good at youth level.

As for the Magath rumours, if that is true then the Black box is well and truly broken and Koeman can be resolved of all blame for the dodgy summer signings.

The crux is that the model is the Southampton way and if the current manager feels that he does not want to follow the Southampton Way then the board have no choice but to employ someone else that is happy to be the head of playing department following the company's mission statement.

Personally I think the only man standing between Tom and St Brendy's winnings is Van Gaal.

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

Looks like a pretty decisive vote to me...

 

[Le Tissier's Laces]

I don't think that question needs asking. Some people can't form their own opinion. Koeman could say, or do, anything and some people on here wouldn't question, disagree or criticise.

Really? Who? I don't see anyone that's not prepared to criticise him in a reasonable way. I know it doesn't fit in with your bizarre agenda, but I'd say everyone has pretty much said that RK has to step up right now.

Take the blinkers off a minute and actually read the posts perhaps?

 

[Archers Road]

If it was just a slump in results i would be inclined to give him time. But, it seems like other things are not right at the club. Who knows what will happen

Maybe. Or maybe it only seems like that because of the slump in results.

 

[ihatemyselfandwanttodie]

I think it will be interesting to see how views change if we get less than three points in our next two games...

Personally, I think we have been fairly unlucky lately and that's just the way it goes.

The team haven't played as bad as results suggest, from where I was sat I though Romeu was very good, Classie looked the player we thought he was going to be.

I thought the issues of our downfall have been worth Fonte having a bad spell of form for whatever reason and less to do with formation or tactics. Just an opinion of course...

 

[fatletiss]

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[fatletiss]

I don't think that question needs asking. Some people can't form their own opinion. Koeman could say, or do, anything and some people on here wouldn't question, disagree or criticise.

Some people can't form their own opinion? Really? There are lots of posters and only a few outcomes on this topic... That means a lot of people will have the same, or a similar opinion. Perhaps what you meant was that anyone who agrees with someone who disagrees with you, can't form their own opinion? Do the people who agree with you fall into the "can't form their own opinion" category too?

Did you come in pissed at 2am? Even the members of our "We love Ronald Club" have raised questions today.

Don't worry though, they'll get a warning at our next meeting.

 

[fran-MLs little camera]

I'm about the happiest clappiest person on here usually and was a Ron fan, but have become concerned as it seems Ron is concerned. The latter is the most worrying thing. It feels like something is wrong beyond just the results, but I would be happy to be proved wrong. I don't want my doubts vindicated....I would rather Ron turned it all round and we had a good laugh about it at the end of the season.