Match Day Thread UTD v Taffs

[cytrax]

But the point that many on here are making is that it has taken until now for that (19 shots, some attacking intent, decent forward passing etc ) to happen - and that is not good enough.

What exactly are the options right now? Sack the manager? Would that automatically solve the problems at this stage of the season?

It seems that with every kick, with every pass that isn't kicked forward, everyone is having a moan. Everyone has short memory, hence the constant reference to the fact that we were always mesmerizing in the past. Phil Neville actually explained it well.

We need to learn to roll with the punches. I am sure no one inside the training ground want to loss or play bad football. However, I am of the opinion that the horrible spell would have taught every single one of them key lessons, including the manager. As for the fans, we owe them to lend them our support as they grind it out. Shouting attack, attack, attack at every game is actually detrimental than helpful.

We won the game with two good goals and didn't sink our heads after they equalized. There should be very little moaning left after that. Unto the next!

 

[Treble]

This forum is turning into moan and groan fest!! This is a team that has not won a game in 8 matches. What did you think would happen? "Vintage" United? Just be happy we won and quit regurgitating the same old same. We have 19 shots in that game. 6 on target. That is a hell more than we have managed in a long time.


This is a very true post!

The idiocy of this post is remarkable. You're the only one focusing on the result. Then you quote and applaud some random poster who derided fans as wanting "instant results"

Instead of knee jerk reactions to instant results why dont you look at the long term performances. We've all commented on slight improvements but lets see how it pans out over the next half a dozen games, eh?

 

[seabreeze]

The idiocy of this post is remarkable. You're the only one focusing on the result. Then you quote and applaud some random poster who derided fans as wanting "instant results"

Instead of knee jerk reactions to instant results why dont you look at the long term performances. We've all commented on slight improvements but lets see how it pans out over the next half a dozen games, eh?

It's a turbulent " Top 6 " group where teams are tripping all over themselves this season , like never before .United have an opportunity to actually win the title this season .Their biggest threat not to , is the pressure put on them by their own , and I use the word loosely , .....support .

 

[Christiansmith]

It's a turbulent " Top 6 " group where teams are tripping all over themselves this season , like never before .United have an opportunity to actually win the title this season .Their biggest threat not to , is the pressure put on them by their own , and I use the word loosely , .....support .

I was one of those who saw the method used by LVG as a means to stabilising the team and getting the necessary results. He had to do something to arrest the slide and get moving in the right direction.

But it is now apparent (and the poor results did only serve to highlight this) that his whole approach to football is anathema to what United fans here and all over the world want. If all you are interested in is looking at the scorecard at 500 pm and see a 1-0 to United then it may not matter to you how the team plays.

United will not win anything this season (never mind the title) unless they change their football drastically. For me the turning point was the home match against PSV and the match against Norwich (not the Bourtnemouth or Stoke ones as they were always going to be tricky) only confirmed that LVG should go and a replacement should be looked for. Apparently LVG has been asked to groom Giggs. Well all I can say is that I hope Giggs is learning about what not to do from him.

Watching the Everton- Spurs match yesterday afternoon brought home that watching football should be about excitement, taking risks and creating chances and not keeping the ball, and making sure you do not make mistakes.

yes, I gave LVG the benefit of the doubt at the start of the season (and was more on UIR side who himself seems to have moved too) but for me irrespective of how he and United do (and I will keep hoping United will get into the CL ) LVG is not a United manager and the earlier we get one who is the better. And No: just because he's won one match does not make me support his approach.

 

[glazerfodder]

After the debacle of appointing Moyes I was delighted that we managed to secure the services of a manger of the stature of LVG - a man with an impeccable record of success in domestic an European football. His first season was all about stabilising the club and securing a top four finish, not just to secure a return to the CL, but also to safeguard the Adidas sponsorship deal which was on the point of collapse - all of which he managed.

Like so many others, I expected the team to kick-on this term having had a promising pre-season and some good signings (on paper) brought in. I had some reservations about letting both RvP and Hernandez go, but was happy to trust in the manager's judgement. That expected improvement simply hasn't materialised and it is clear that what at first appeared to be a temporary, faltering style of play was in fact a deliberate game plan of possession football devoid of any invention or attacking flair. It is that, more than anything else that has alienated so many fans and frustrated the talents of a good many of our players.

I have supported this club since the mid- 60's - there have been many highs and lows along the way - but one the constant throughout those decades has been the attacking game that all of our sides have played - that is what we are known for around the world, that is why hundreds of thousands of fans in Malaysia and elsewhere in the far east stay up in to the small hours to watch our games live (I worked out there for several years before you ask) that's why bars open early in Boston and New York just to show our games - that's why we have the biggest global fanbase - because of our attacking style of play.

Even when we lost there was a sense that we had gone down all guns blazing - the United way. Yes, there were always dull and dreary fixtures and the odd inexplicably poor game, but they were generally the exception, but under LVG, the reverse is true - one half decent result at the weekend and he thinks our troubles are over - but they're not.

I admire LVG for what he has achieved, I have even felt sorry for him these last few weeks having watched his press conferences - but at the end of the day it is all about providing entertainment for the millions of fans. Lose that and we become just another club.

 

[Bodinki]

What exactly are the options right now? Sack the manager? Would that automatically solve the problems at this stage of the season?

Hasn't done us any harm!

 

[Christiansmith]

After the debacle of appointing Moyes I was delighted that we managed to secure the services of a manger of the stature of LVG - a man with an impeccable record of success in domestic an European football. His first season was all about stabilising the club and securing a top four finish, not just to secure a return to the CL, but also to safeguard the Adidas sponsorship deal which was on the point of collapse - all of which he managed.

Like so many others, I expected the team to kick-on this term having had a promising pre-season and some good signings (on paper) brought in. I had some reservations about letting both RvP and Hernandez go, but was happy to trust in the manager's judgement. That expected improvement simply hasn't materialised and it is clear that what at first appeared to be a temporary, faltering style of play was in fact a deliberate game plan of possession football devoid of any invention or attacking flair. It is that, more than anything else that has alienated so many fans and frustrated the talents of a good many of our players.

I have supported this club since the mid- 60's - there have been many highs and lows along the way - but one the constant throughout those decades has been the attacking game that all of our sides have played - that is what we are known for around the world, that is why hundreds of thousands of fans in Malaysia and elsewhere in the far east stay up in to the small hours to watch our games live (I worked out there for several years before you ask) that's why bars open early in Boston and New York just to show our games - that's why we have the biggest global fanbase - because of our attacking style of play.

Even when we lost there was a sense that we had gone down all guns blazing - the United way. Yes, there were always dull and dreary fixtures and the odd inexplicably poor game, but they were generally the exception, but under LVG, the reverse is true - one half decent result at the weekend and he thinks our troubles are over - but they're not.

I admire LVG for what he has achieved, I have even felt sorry for him these last few weeks having watched his press conferences - but at the end of the day it is all about providing entertainment for the millions of fans. Lose that and we become just another club.

I thought LVG's methods were based on being pragmatic on our need to get results but it is now seemed that's his principled approach to football. He baffled me this weekend with his assertion that the first half was better than the second and that he felt that although the second half yielded the right outcome it was risky and worse than the first half.

FFS.


In Saturday’s first half against Swansea City Manchester United stank out Old Trafford. It is no exaggeration to say Louis van Gaal oversaw a display that felt poorer than the very worst of the David Moyes vintage two years ago. Not according to the Dutchman, though. United scored twice after the break to win the game yet Van Gaal said: “When we score goals and we create always chances, then it is a big difference because also, in this [press] room, a lot of journalists are saying the second half was better. I can say that it was not better.” In a particularly competitive field this goes down as one of the prime head-scratchers offered by Van Gaal. If goals and chances created are not the mark of a team playing better, then what is? Over to you, Louis. Jamie Jackson.


I couldn't have put it better.

 

[Chief]

No, neither could I.

But, as it came from Jamie Jackson, it must be all lies, right?

Anyway, I was there and can confirm the first half was utter ****e and the second, by contrast, was quite promising.

What do I know though?

 

[Chief]

It's a turbulent " Top 6 " group where teams are tripping all over themselves this season , like never before .United have an opportunity to actually win the title this season .Their biggest threat not to , is the pressure put on them by their own , and I use the word loosely , .....support .

Are you one of the many Swansea 'fans' who walked out when you were two nil down at home to Bournemouth?

Or are you one of the many who used to 'support' Liverpool and will revert back to doing so once you're relegated?

Instead of criticising United's support, how about you look a bit closer to home.

 

[seabreeze]

Are you one of the many Swansea 'fans' who walked out when you were two nil down at home to Bournemouth?

Or are you one of the many who used to 'support' Liverpool and will revert back to doing so once you're relegated?

Instead of criticising United's support, how about you look a bit closer to home.

Are you one of a fleet of fans that think you're the only team with all the money these days like the first 15 seasons or so in the Premier and still think you must win all the time ,Those days are gone , you can't buy titles anymore so get use to earning titles with that shoe on the other foot .

 

[Chief]

Anymore?

Are you one of those halfwits who thinks only United got Sky's money when the premier league was set up?

You really should be on the Liverpool board. The thread is called BBC Salford.

 

[seabreeze]

ManU brought in 20% of all money brought in to Premier League teams in the mid 90's , welcome to the level playing field these days with other teams having as much to spend .
You'll have to keep those "Veron " deals down to a dull roar cause you can't throw them away like bic lighters any more .Man U have a good team and manager these days on a bit of a struggle .....and sh:t short sighted support living in the past .

 

[Chief]

Everyone got the same deal, same then as it is now. There is simply more money involved now.

The fact the likes of City and Liverpool failed dismally to tap into the new market is entirely their own problem. With success brings further success, that's how it works. It is not 'unfair'.

I take it you are one of the saddoes who will go back to being a Liverpool fan once Swansea are relegated, the Liverpool cap of delusion and paranoia certainly fits you.

 

[seabreeze]

Step around having one fifth of all the money brought in in the mid nineties in the Premier all you want , but it doesn't change the fact .
I like the Man U team and their manager these days and I wish them good luck , it will come together imo .....cheers

 

[Chief]

Step around the fact you're talking complete bollocks all you like, you didn't answer the question.

Are you 'one of those fans' who walked out when you were getting beaten by Bournemouth at home?

Just interested, as you seem to have a healthy dislike for supporters voicing their opinion on what they have paid to watch.

 

[glazerfodder]

Step around having one fifth of all the money brought in in the mid nineties in the Premier all you want , but it doesn't change the fact .
I like the Man U team and their manager these days and I wish them good luck , it will come together imo .....cheers

What you fail to grasp is that the PL money is what it is today because of Utd - pure and simple. Our enduring success in the PL and Europe in the 80's - 00's sucked money into the PL and made it the attractive commercial platform that it is today. Because of that success you have foreign owners showering their riches on clubs, clamouring for a slice of the massive profits to be made from TV, sponsorship and other rights.

Yes, we took 20% of revenues, but we were bringing in a massive global audience that made it worth the broadcasters while. Without that prolonged success the money in the game would be nowhere like what it is today - so instead of begrudging our success, you should show a little gratitude and accept that if it wasn't for us you and many other minnows would have gone under and simply be a minor footnote in football history

 

[seabreeze]

What you fail to grasp is that the PL money is what it is today because of Utd - pure and simple. Our enduring success in the PL and Europe in the 80's - 00's sucked money into the PL and made it the attractive commercial platform that it is today. Because of that success you have foreign owners showering their riches on clubs, clamouring for a slice of the massive profits to be made from TV, sponsorship and other rights.

Yes, we took 20% of revenues, but we were bringing in a massive global audience that made it worth the broadcasters while. Without that prolonged success the money in the game would be nowhere like what it is today - so instead of begrudging our success, you should show a little gratitude and accept that if it wasn't for us yhou and many other minnows would have gone under and simply be a minor footnote in football history

All I'm talking about is the money available to your club to spend to win titles at the time , spin it any other way you want .
The Premier( Greed ) League stole 72 other teams TV money at it's conception and with the amount of money earmarked next season , a certain % should be returned to the other leagues ....fat cat chance though .

 

[Chief]

I agree on the bottom part, the premier league should definitely filter more money down the the lower leagues.

That's not the argument though, what I take issue with is your (false) claim that United have somehow had it all their own way since the premier league was set up. The reason United have had significantly more money over the time that the premier league has existed is that they have won it more than anyone else, finished second more often that anyone else and have, bar one season, been in the top four in all that time. This brings what is known as prize money.

There is also the fact they have been on the screens more than any other club. There's a reason for this; the watching TV fan wants it that way. Like it or not, Sky will screen games the paying public want to see.

What you are doing is perpetuating a myth that United were singled out by the premier league and Sky and given more money then the rest. That is simply bollocks.

 

[OnlyJuanThingMata]

What exactly are the options right now? Sack the manager? Would that automatically solve the problems at this stage of the season?

It seems that with every kick, with every pass that isn't kicked forward, everyone is having a moan. Everyone has short memory, hence the constant reference to the fact that we were always mesmerizing in the past. Phil Neville actually explained it well.

We need to learn to roll with the punches. I am sure no one inside the training ground want to loss or play bad football. However, I am of the opinion that the horrible spell would have taught every single one of them key lessons, including the manager. As for the fans, we owe them to lend them our support as they grind it out. Shouting attack, attack, attack at every game is actually detrimental than helpful.

We won the game with two good goals and didn't sink our heads after they equalized. There should be very little moaning left after that. Unto the next!

We're, according to you, ' moaning' because Utd served up some of the worst football I've seen and it has taken til the new year to even make forward passes!

If you can't see that and call us 'moaners', you must be LVG.

 

[seabreeze]

I agree on the bottom part, the premier league should definitely filter more money down the the lower leagues.

That's not the argument though, what I take issue with is your (false) claim that United have somehow had it all their own way since the premier league was set up. The reason United have had significantly more money over the time that the premier league has existed is that they have won it more than anyone else, finished second more often that anyone else and have, bar one season, been in the top four in all that time. This brings what is known as prize money.

There is also the fact they have been on the screens more than any other club. There's a reason for this; the watching TV fan wants it that way. Like it or not, Sky will screen games the paying public want to see.

What you are doing is perpetuating a myth that United were singled out by the premier league and Sky and given more money then the rest. That is simply bollocks.

Never said any of that whatsoever , only said that you had more money to BUY titles , simple .
Teams like Everton and Villa had more titles the ManU till the Premier League , speaks volumes .
We will see how Man U does now that other teams have as much money to spend as you ....welcome to the "Leveller playing field "