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[PeterRICK]

Agree with Tobes. Not sure where this idea that the prima donna footballer is exclusive to the EPL came from as it's in riddled throughout every level. I follow a fair bit of non league and you still see player power struggles more than you'd expect. Pr*cks.

Is there proof Costa and Cesc led this sh*thousery or is it all subjective? Either way you know those in the club would have a pretty good idea of who the ringleaders are so I'd be inclined to drop-kick them out of the club in Jan and bring in new faces with the very clear message that if people continued in the same vein they'd be outed as the c*nts they were.

Obviously it wouldn't help the immediate rot but it would put it out there in black and white that things weren't going to continue in the same way.

This is just playing devils advocate obviously. From an outsiders perspective I've found the whole scenario heee-larious, as no doubt you guys would if it happened to Arsenal...or one of those other clubs, I forget their names.

 

[carlthejackal]

I agree with everything you've put there, but I do think Abramovich DID have an alternative..

He could have gone into that dressing room and told the team that Mourinho is staying, he's on a long term contract, is the most successful manager the club has ever had, he's also my choice to lead us forwards and that's not going to change. So pull your collective fingers out of your arse and earn your heinous wages.

If they didn't respond, he could have outed a couple of the most obvious tankers in Jan, sending a message to the rest, bring in a couple of new faces and ensure that the club stabilised. OK you'd have not made Europe, but the maths dictate that's now highly unlikely anyway. That squad was never going to go down.

Next summer re-vamp the entire side if things hadn't markedly improved.

All he's done again, is bow to player pressure, same as he's done on a few occasions in the past. Players at your club know, that tanking games gets them what they want in terms of managerial change.

Mourinho has been the architect of his own downfall to a degree, but he's not become a bad manager overnight, it's the players who are responsible for the tanking of games.

Thats the problem. It is like you are in an office. You have one manager (the team leader) disliked by most of the 30 office workers. and some of them key to the whole operation.

Do you take on the whole team, getting rid of some prime movers and risking further disruption or do you just get rid on that one person? I know which is the line of least resistance.

 

[Tobes]

Thats the problem. It is like you are in an office. You have one manager (the team leader) disliked by most of the 30 office workers. and some of them key to the whole operation.

Do you take on the whole team, getting rid of some prime movers and risking further disruption or do you just get rid on that one person? I know which is the line of least resistance.

It is indeed the path of least resistance, but let's not forget he lead the same side to the title last season and there was no complaints from the beauts then.

A few months later, things didn't start well this season, and he's obviously been showing his teeth behind closed doors and a few of them have patently decided to down tools.

To use your analogy if the manager had a proven track record and was the best the company had ever had, I'd suggest that the MD might take the view that the ring leaders of the disruption were the root cause of the issue, and give the manager the backing to hoof them out if they didn't come back into line.If he wanged the manager in a skip, the workforce would know that if they didn't like the next one, they could act in the same manner to see him gone.

When you get scenarios like that in real life, you usually find that there's a couple of rotten apples leading the weaker ones and if you get rid, then the others generally get their heads down and get over it pretty quickly.

 

[chelsea - over 100 years of history]

It is indeed the path of least resistance, but let's not forget he lead the same side to the title last season and there was no complaints from the beauts then.

A few months later, things didn't start well this season, and he's obviously been showing his teeth behind closed doors and a few of them have patently decided to down tools.

To use your analogy if the manager had a proven track record and was the best the company had ever had, I'd suggest that the MD might take the view that the ring leaders of the disruption were the root cause of the issue, and give the manager the backing to hoof them out if they didn't come back into line.If he wanged the manager in a skip, the workforce would know that if they didn't like the next one, they could act in the same manner to see him gone.

When you get scenarios like that in real life, you usually find that there's a couple of rotten apples leading the weaker ones and if you get rid, then the others generally get their heads down and get over it pretty quickly.

But in most companies, the staff aren't such important financial commodities as footballers are.

 

[Tobes]

But in most companies, the staff aren't such important financial commodities as footballers are.

This is of course true, but the 2 or 3 players that most suspect of leading this revolt, wouldn't cost Chelsea money if they offloaded them, they'd get the vast majority of their cash back, and probably make a wedge on that little **** Hazard.

 

[carlthejackal]

It is indeed the path of least resistance, but let's not forget he lead the same side to the title last season and there was no complaints from the beauts then.

A few months later, things didn't start well this season, and he's obviously been showing his teeth behind closed doors and a few of them have patently decided to down tools.

To use your analogy if the manager had a proven track record and was the best the company had ever had, I'd suggest that the MD might take the view that the ring leaders of the disruption were the root cause of the issue, and give the manager the backing to hoof them out if they didn't come back into line.If he wanged the manager in a skip, the workforce would know that if they didn't like the next one, they could act in the same manner to see him gone.

When you get scenarios like that in real life, you usually find that there's a couple of rotten apples leading the weaker ones and if you get rid, then the others generally get their heads down and get over it pretty quickly.

It depends which type of operation you are talking about - to continue the analogy. The team leader as the line manager is only a manager. That is he directs and coordinates the operation. What if some of these people on the shopfloor are actual key assets (rare scientists, drug researchers, or IT boffins), who are difficult to manage but also very difficult to replace as they are at the top of their tree and also the people doing all the work and create the profits?

No sane organisation would get rid of some of their prized assets just to keep a manager albeit an excellent one.

 

[carlthejackal]

But in most companies, the staff aren't such important financial commodities as footballers are.

The staff are themselves the key assets in a football team. Thats the problem.

 

[Tobes]

It depends which type of operation you are talking about - to continue the analogy. The team leader as the line manager is only a manager. That is he directs and coordinates the operation. What if some of these people on the shopfloor are actual key assets (rare scientists, drug researchers, or IT boffins), who are difficult to manage but also very difficult to replace as they are at the top of their tree and also the people doing all the work and create the profits?

No sane organisation would get rid of some of their prized assets just to keep a manager albeit an excellent one.

If the manager isn't essential to the success of the team, then why employ one?

In any business it's ultimately the key staff that deliver the results, but it's the manager who builds the team and ensures the overall result through using their skills in the right manner and motivating them to deliver it.

 

[carlthejackal]

If the manager isn't essential to the success of the team, then why employ one?

In any business it's ultimately the key staff that deliver the results, but it's the manager who builds the team and ensures the overall result through using their skills in the right manner and motivating them to deliver it.

Lets transfer the problem to a team like Barcelona. And the stars Neymar, Suarez and Messi fall out with Enrique. Assuming that Enrique is a very successful manager. Who would Barca support? These three players are key and are assets worth hundreds of millions.

Even if Enrique was as vastly popular as Mourinho, there is absolutely no way that the management will even consider taking the manager's side.

 

[Bodinki]

Lets transfer the problem to a team like Barcelona. And the stars Neymar, Suarez and Messi fall out with Enrique. Assuming that Enrique is a very successful manager. Who would Barca support? These three players are key and are assets worth hundreds of millions.

Even if Enrique was as vastly popular as Mourinho, there is absolutely no way that the management will even consider taking the manager's side.

No they wouldn't.
But if I was the board, I would be equally as pissed that the players took it upon themselves to down tools, and be looking to move those ****s on at the first opportunity.

 

[carlthejackal]

No they wouldn't.
But if I was the board, I would be equally as pissed that the players took it upon themselves to down tools, and be looking to move those ****s on at the first opportunity.

I am not saying it was right. This was in my view the most calculated "sacking" by players going against the fans the management and the owners. Awesome to behold but NOT necessarily right.

 

[brb]

I agree with everything you've put there, but I do think Abramovich DID have an alternative..

He could have gone into that dressing room and told the team that Mourinho is staying, he's on a long term contract, is the most successful manager the club has ever had, he's also my choice to lead us forwards and that's not going to change. So pull your collective fingers out of your arse and earn your heinous wages.

If they didn't respond, he could have outed a couple of the most obvious tankers in Jan, sending a message to the rest, bring in a couple of new faces and ensure that the club stabilised. OK you'd have not made Europe, but the maths dictate that's now highly unlikely anyway. That squad was never going to go down.

Next summer re-vamp the entire side if things hadn't markedly improved.

All he's done again, is bow to player pressure, same as he's done on a few occasions in the past. Players at your club know, that tanking games gets them what they want in terms of managerial change.

Mourinho has been the architect of his own downfall to a degree, but he's not become a bad manager overnight, it's the players who are responsible for the tanking of games.

Brilliant post and exactly what Abramovich should have done, its about time Supporters and Chairman backed their managers. Yes, we can all list what Jose did wrong but that pile of **** are still paid to do a job. Abramovich should have stuck a rocket up their arse, quicker than Putin can say Turkey, and at the moment all i'm seeing is a bunch of prize turkeys that have made a complete mockery out of Chairman and Supporters a like!

 

[armchairblue]

Brilliant post and exactly what Abramovich should have done, its about time Supporters and Chairman backed their managers. Yes, we can all list what Jose did wrong but that pile of **** are still paid to do a job. Abramovich should have stuck a rocket up their arse, quicker than Putin can say Turkey, and at the moment all i'm seeing is a bunch of prize turkeys that have made a complete mockery out of Chairman and Supporters a like!

Im sure there'll be some sort of fan reaction tomorrow,but it'll soon be forgotten.My club likes to shoot
itself in the foot and no doubt will do again.

 

[Liquidator]

The clearest sacking of a manager by the players (and only them) you could ever see. A man whose position was solid with the owners, the executive and the fans. I am not saying I approve or that it was right but it was awesome in its execution. The owners/management had almost no choice but execute the will of the players.

Good post - the only two ways they could've called the players bluff: one being if there was an abundance of talent within the squad and the other was to spend up large in the next window. With both options off the table and given the teams precarious position, the board were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Diego]

Good post - the only two ways they could've called the players bluff: one being if there was an abundance of talent within the squad and the other was to spend up large in the next window. With both options off the table and given the teams precarious position, the board were stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Are you saying you couldn't have sold the bad ****s for decent money in Jan and bought in cheaper players that would have got you into mid-table or higher?
Summer would have required some rebuilding but at least you would have had a great manager still in place, the way it is now you will still finish mid/upper-mid table and have lost the best manager you have ever had.

 

[D.G.C.]

Mid/upper table?

 

[brb]

The Chelsea players today proved what a absolute disgrace they are, it would never happen but AB should take legal action for breaches of contract, they are paid to do a job and were damaging to the business that he runs. Everyone can see what happened here, they should not be allowed to hide behind a change of form but be made accountable for why and we all know why.

 

[Blueman]

The Chelsea players today proved what a absolute disgrace they are, it would never happen but AB should take legal action for breaches of contract, they are paid to do a job and were damaging to the business that he runs. Everyone can see what happened here, they should not be allowed to hide behind a change of form but be made accountable for why and we all know why.

Which is probably the reason for most managers losing their jobs. Sad but true.

 

[shedend59]

great reaction from the fans tod
ay booed the players who deserved it and only sang Chelsea songs when we scored

 

[Blueman]

great reaction from the fans tod
ay booed the players who deserved it and only sang Chelsea songs when we scored

Yeah, I was there. The players can be in no doubt what the fans think.