Match Day Thread UTD v some team that we will LOSE against
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I'm not blaming the young fullbacks at all, they just played like young players. Its something you have to expect. Ibalways enjoy seeing our acadamy players getting a chance, even if its in these circumstances.
Fully agree on McNair, he's become the timid liability that Evans was at end of his time here. Every time the opposition attacks, you fear the worst. I think he could do with a loan spell somewhere.
Atleast we scored which is better than last week.
Meanwhile Javier Hernandez scored a hatrick for Leverkusen tonight in 13 minutes
Meanwhile Javier Hernandez scored a hatrick for Leverkusen tonight in 13 minutes
Atleast we scored which is better than last week.
Meanwhile Javier Hernandez scored a hatrick for Leverkusen tonight in 13 minutes
Shame he couldn't do that here. He might not have been sold.
Treble, I agree with a lot of what you say and I also hate the slow build up, possession game van Gall has instilled into the team.
However I feel your hatred of van Gaal is clouding your judgement of the players performances, he decides the tactics, he decides the shape, he does not decide poor control, poor passing, poor finishing. I am not siding with anybody on our present board war, I am just stating the things I see game after game.
We have a squad capable of winning this league quite comfortably, they are not performing to their ability that is obvious, who is to blame?
I would say the blame lies equally with the manager and the players.
Fair enough Diego
The poor finishing I agree with. But I'd say the poor passing and poor control is a symptom of the tactics and the training.
I've never said the players aren't completely at fault. But this was also true under Moyes. Ultimately though, the way a team plays comes down to the manager. I am absolutely convinced another manager would have this squad playing better. IF that's true as I believe it to be, then the players aren't the underlying problem. I guess that's what it boils down to for me.
That is relegation form. Since the loss at Arsenal, this team has completely lost its way. And the manager has to take the blame for that 100%.
If you are managing a business and you has p!55 workers, it is your job as a manager to spot that and put controls in place to fix it. The fact that we started the season with only two recognizable strikers was the biggest c0ckup to begin with.
Fair enough Diego
The poor finishing I agree with. But I'd say the poor passing and poor control is a symptom of the tactics and the training.
I've never said the players aren't completely at fault. But this was also true under Moyes. Ultimately though, the way a team plays comes down to the manager. I am absolutely convinced another manager would have this squad playing better. IF that's true as I believe it to be, then the players aren't the underlying problem. I guess that's what it boils down to for me.
Another manager could/should/would get better out of this squad, however, the squad would need to want that.
You mentioned Moyes, I believe he could have done better but was screwed by 3 of my favourite players (who all left at the end of the season as they were past the sell by date). Would he have been good enough, I doubt it because he doubted himself too much. The thing with players is they have the to play as the manager asks and make it work or screw it up dependent on their wishes.
How the hell is poor control symptoms of tactics? Seriously? Is that something you can train someone over a weekend? You can't blame the trainer for that.Fair enough Diego
The poor finishing I agree with. But I'd say the poor passing and poor control is a symptom of the tactics and the training.
I've never said the players aren't completely at fault. But this was also true under Moyes. Ultimately though, the way a team plays comes down to the manager. I am absolutely convinced another manager would have this squad playing better. IF that's true as I believe it to be, then the players aren't the underlying problem. I guess that's what it boils down to for me.
I guess De Gea's mistake today was also down to tactics.
Why do we keep mentioning fkn Moyes. Can we please get over that man? He is a disaster and shocked you think he would do better give all that you claim to know.
Do you seriously think he couldn't have done better with the squad he had?
I am not suggesting he was good enough long term but, with a little help from senior pro's (who I expected more from) he could have at least made top four.
They would want that depending on 2 reasons imo. Firstly they can see it working (builds confidence) and secondly they believe in it (which invariably depends on the first bit). That's where LVG has lost their confidence and it shows.
You're right that the players have to play as the manager asks, but they're human beings like the rest of us. What if they can't make it work? Or what if they do everything the manager asks but it doesn't work? It's not like they're purposely trying to screw it up, they've either lost confidence bcos they're not seeing it working, or they no longer believe in it. There is a 3rd reason ofcourse, that they're not good enough...but that is just plainly bollox.
What exactly do I claim to know? I am a supporter among millions, I watch football and speak what I see.
Never claimed to know anything more than anyone else
Training players ball control isn't simply how you trap a ball or pass between cones is it? The tactical side clearly has an impact on a player's mindset. Is he going to pass, go forward, cut back, shoot. What you're asking a player to do will have some impact on their play - whether that's ball control or passing.
You seem to miss the whole post, focus on one point and then go off on one. You did the same earlier.
I understand what you are saying but we have been within 3 points of top place for most of the season, what would they think isn't working, maybe with a little effort it could even work better and we could be top?
The more likely thing would be they "don't like" the way they are asked to play, if this is the case then they are letting us all down.
I quite often don't like things I am asked to do at work but do it anyway to get the job done for the good of the company and customer.
Not excuses from me you ****** just fackts
Did not deserve anything from this match. I am not an LVG fan but we must recognise that this was a reserve side. Even before the match no sane fan would have been confident
I bet you were confident about the game then?
Anyway, I personally think LvG is doing a great job and should stay until he retires. He's had one of his finest weeks in football, fair play to the Dutch Legend.
Diego, I somehow saw your post as one from Treble. I mostly enjoy stalking him hence my reference to all knowing of things to do with football. LolWhat exactly do I claim to know? I am a supporter among millions, I watch football and speak what I see.
Never claimed to know anything more than anyone else
You can't win 3 out of 12 games and beg for mercy. That is an unacceptable return on investment.
To be honest, I don't think we have helped the team. Before form even began to decline, ex players started a very negative trend that eventually got to the fans. It has a role to play in completely casting doubts in players' minds. If the world keeps telling you that you are sht, it's only a matter of time before you actually start acting as they've projected.
United organization was too spoilt with references riches of the past glory, I feel. Either way, it is LVG that's going to fall on the sword. But I fear for us if the next manager fails to work out to exact tune of what we have been conditioned to expect in a very short timeframe.