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astroturfnaut said:
Yes spacetime causes light to bend, and bigger masses distort spacetime more, causing light to bend more. Where's the problem?

How did I drag Newton into it with a 1 word post?
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This post shows you barely read what I posted. I've asked the same question repeatedly.

Where is the bending light? None around the sun, moon or jupiter or trillions of billions of stars.

If you are again going to reference 4 of maybe 12 possible examples of "light bending" out of the hole universe it is a weak argument

Bu the very claim above, you are pointing out a huge weakness, the extreme lack of bending light and any that appears to be has alternate explantions based on the real world, not a theory.
 
"Lizards?" he said said:
This post shows you barely read what I posted. I've asked the same question repeatedly.

Where is the bending light? None around the sun, moon or jupiter or trillions of billions of stars.

If you are again going to reference 4 of maybe 12 possible examples of "light bending" out of the hole universe it is a weak argument

Bu the very claim above, you are pointing out a huge weakness, the extreme lack of bending light and any that appears to be has alternate explantions based on the real world, not a theory.
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Yeah and if gravity exists at all how come I don't start orbiting around every house I walk past?

What part of bigger masses produce bigger distortions don't you understand?

If you want to see gravitational lensing by the Sun feel free to take a trip on a spacecraft to 1000 AU
 
astroturfnaut said:
So the one on the platform sees t+p

So a train going at 0.5c, and a photon going at c, means the platform viewer sees 1.5c right?
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Are you even reading?

I didn't mathematically quantify them as we don't need exact numbers, thought experiment.

The person on the platform in this thought experiment,can (unrealistically) see the velocity and trajectory of the train and the photon.

So the person on the platform sees (t + p) The perceptions, not sums, not quantified. We dont need to quantify htem. We are examing relativism after all.

Platform guy as t and p, train guy has p.

So they both have 'p' as they can both see the photon going up and down, but train guy cannot see the train moving so he hasn't got 't'

That missing information for train guy, is what you perceive as time dilation.

If you want to quantify that in actual maths be my guest ;) Not my strongpoint
 
astroturfnaut said:
Yeah and if gravity exists at all how come I don't start orbiting around every house I walk past?

What part of bigger masses produce bigger distortions don't you understand?

If you want to see gravitational lensing by the Sun feel free to take a trip on a spacecraft to 1000 AU
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You are running around in circles now.
]Yeah and if gravity exists at all how come I don't start orbiting around every house I walk past?
Because the "FORCE" is not strong enough. That thing force, relativity doesn't evne know what force is.

You think there is really a space time distortion around you as you move about, and someone right next to you is in your gravity well but the curvature is not enough to pull them in? <laugh> Say it and listen to how stupid you sound.

What part of bigger masses produce bigger distortions don't you understand?
Again you are going round in circles, we are not talking about that we are talking about how small masses that create distortions seem not to bend light with their space time distortions, so you are really out of your depth here or intentionally being stupid?

If you want to see gravitational lensing by the Sun feel free to take a trip on a spacecraft to 1000 AU
There is no lensing, light passing through the plasma limb gets curved, as in it's path is altered by the plasma, not the light, amateur. No light has ever been observed bending in the vacuum of space.
 
"Lizards?" he said said:
Are you even reading?

I didn't mathematically quantify them as we don't need exact numbers, thought experiment.

The person on the platform in this thought experiment,can (unrealistically) see the velocity and trajectory of the train and the photon.

So the person on the platform sees (t + p) The perceptions, not sums, not quantified. We dont need to quantify htem. We are examing relativism after all.

Platform guy as t and p, train guy has p.

So they both have 'p' as they can both see the photon going up and down, but train guy cannot see the train moving so he hasn't got 't'

That missing information for train guy, is what you perceive as time dilation.

If you want to quantify that in actual maths be my guest ;) Not my strongpoint
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Yeah what your doing in a very clumsy way is reinvent the Galilean transformation, which predicts addition of vectors should allow relative speeds greater than the speed of light to be observed, but which in fact are never observed
 
"Lizards?" he said said:
You are running around in circles now.
]Yeah and if gravity exists at all how come I don't start orbiting around every house I walk past?
Because the "FORCE" is not strong enough. That thing force, relativity doesn't evne know what force is.

You think there is really a space time distortion around you as you move about, and someone right next to you is in your gravity well but the curvature is not enough to pull them in? <laugh> Say it and listen to how stupid you sound.

What part of bigger masses produce bigger distortions don't you understand?
Again you are going round in circles, we are not talking about that we are talking about how small masses that create distortions seem not to bend light with their space time distortions, so you are really out of your depth here or intentionally being stupid?

If you want to see gravitational lensing by the Sun feel free to take a trip on a spacecraft to 1000 AU
There is no lensing, light passing through the plasma limb gets curved, as in it's path is altered by the plasma, not the light, amateur. No light has ever been observed bending in the vacuum of space.
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If the bending is done by the plasma, how come there is a direction associated with it, i.e. gravitational lensing bends the light towards the mass, but what direction does your plasma bend light in? All directions?
 
astroturfnaut said:
Yeah what your doing in a very clumsy way is reinvent the Galilean transformation, which predicts addition of vectors should allow relative speeds greater than the speed of light to be observed, but which in fact are never observed
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Now I am not, first of all I was not aware of and never have read Galilean transformation, because I've never heard that term before.

You are reapating something you read, it's what you have done since the start.

I am thinking and what I have done is reduce the lightclock to information and clearly explained the difference. The difference remaining from the problem is exactly what is used to support relativity, the missing information from the guy on the train.

Now I can further make a mockery of the light clock,.

If the train is made of glass, the guy on the train has t and p because he can see the train move on the terrain plus see the photon go up and down, he has both data sets, no dilation

That would mean there is no difference between perceptions. Dilation goes puff, if the train guy can perceive the motion of the train.
 
"Lizards?" he said said:
Now I am not, first of all I was not aware of and never have read Galilean transformation, because I've never heard that term before.

You are reapating something you read, it's what you have done since the start.

I am thinking and what I have done is reduce the lightclock to information and clearly explained the difference. The difference remaining from the problem is exactly what is used to support relativity, the missing information from the guy on the train.

Now I can further make a mockery of the light clock,.

If the train is made of glass, the guy on the train has t and p because he can see the train move on the terrain plus see the photon go up and down, he has both data sets, no dilation

That would mean there is no difference between perceptions. Dilation goes puff, if the train guy can perceive the motion of the train.
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astroturfnaut said:
If the bending is done by the plasma, how come there is a direction associated with it, i.e. gravitational lensing bends the light towards the mass, but what direction does your plasma bend light in? All directions?
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I never said Plasma is bending the light, light is an electromagnetic wave, plasma is full of electromagentic fields, and EM radiation and EM waves, it is very complicated and something I have not really researched, you know damn well how long it takes to get a jist in any part of this subject.

The point about it, obviously is it is a real world explantion, not something invisible.

As for direction, I am not up on gaussian stuff, again this has not been a main area of research for me, it gets a bit heavy down that road tbh but it seems I've managed to wander farther and wider than you have in the subject <ok>
 
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Now here is some NOT606 relativity

We will set Stephen Hawking as fastest speed in the universe

Hawking 1m\sec 'h'
Astro 2m\sec
You Observer, at rest.

Because the speed of h is the limit, this means to you the observer, that time past twice as slow for Astro because he only traveled 1m\sec but it took him twice as long. Hawking also traveled 1m\sec. or speed 'h'

or is it Astro was faster than hawking and traveled 2m\sec, it doesn't matter what you saw? There is no limit of the speed of light
 
"Lizards?" he said said:
I never said Plasma is bending the light, light is an electromagnetic wave, plasma is full of electromagentic fields, and EM radiation and EM waves, it is very complicated and something I have not really researched, you know damn well how long it takes to get a jist in any part of this subject.

The point about it, obviously is it is a real world explantion, not something invisible.

As for direction, I am not up on gaussian stuff, again this has not been a main area of research for me, it gets a bit heavy down that road tbh but it seems I've managed to wander farther and wider than you have in the subject <ok>
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Plasma is not something you have researched?

But.....nah, forget it.
 
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"Lizards?" he said said:
You are repeating something you read, it's what you have done since the start.
I am thinking and what I have done is reduce the lightclock to information and clearly explained the difference.
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Bollox!

Then again, I would actually quite like it if you are claiming to have suddenly just thought out yourself a way to "smash" the light clock.
 
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