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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by lamby, Oct 25, 2015.

  1. Tintin

    Tintin Well-Known Member

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    Ramirez' first season at Saints he got 5 goals, 3 assists in 20 starts (6 sub appearances). We finished 15th.

    Lallana's first season at Liverpool he got 5 goals, 3 assists in 23 starts (4 sub appearances). They finished 6th, so Lallana was playing in a much better side than Ramirez was.

    This season Ramirez has played 10 minutes and got an assist. Lallana has 6 starts, 2 sub appearances for zero goals and one assist.

    I love this.
     
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  2. Saints Fan4Life

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    I gave up on Ramirez a long time ago ... time to get rid, thankfully we will be by May.
     
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  3. benditlikeabanana

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    As he took no part in the Ajax game, he is injured again ?
     
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  4. San Tejón

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    Interesting stats.
    I watched Lallana, fairly closely in the England v Spain game, and if it weren't for the fact that he constantly gave the ball away, he wouldn't have been noticed for anything else he did.
    He catches the eye of so many people, owing to his ability to receive the ball from any angle, Cruyff turn or let it run through his legs, catching his heel and turning onto it. It all looks very nice, but he produced nothing in the way of a telling through ball, cross or shot, in that game.
    Based on the French game, for input that made a difference, and based on how his season pans out, I would already put Alli ahead of him for the next England game.
    Good to see the comparison with Gaston, who has a great eye for a through ball, but as others have said, he just lacks that je ne sais quoi, that would make him an automatic selection for so many managers.
    Maybe it's the running around, that Lallana does, that is lacking from Gaston's game, that managers look at?
     
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  5. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

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    As I mentioned previously, he's a Uruguayan international. Does that suggest anything.? :)
     
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  6. ImpSaint

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    You've missed my point there. Lallana lost the ball a lot but very often that was because when he got the ball 2 or 3 players would go to tackle him. He drew players.

    It just amazes me that people are still defending Gaston. He could have been really good. He wasn't. Koeman loaned him out last season after having a look at him.

    Why can't people just accept it hasn't worked out rather than try to say his stats are 'favourable' in comparison to others.

    You can argue about not getting starts but then someone else can argue that more time gives more time to make mistakes, lose concentration etc.

    Th only thing that we all know (or should) even though we now hate to admit it was that Lallana was way more influential than Gaston could ever be.

    I'm sorry, I just don't understand why people are still going on about Gaston?? It puzzles me.
     
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  7. Tintin

    Tintin Well-Known Member

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    It's a football forum. It's the international break and something to discuss. There isn't a rule that I can only discuss what ImpsSaint wants to discuss.
     
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  8. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

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    Must say, I have watched the last 2 Uruguayan games and had no idea he was in the squad
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Saints have never listed him as a player on international duty recently. How could he be picked when he scarcely plays?
     
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  11. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Great research there Tintin and really interesting. Although it's kinda surprising it does just go to confirm that Lallana had/has bugger all end product. I think Gastón is more of a risk taker in that sense, and in that kind of AM position I don't have an issue with that.

    Also gives me another spurious reason to dislike Lallana - clearly one of his underhand lots to injure J-Rod!
     
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  12. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    Interesting as well that Lallana gets dispossessed more than Gastón. Surprised by that.
     
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  13. Beef

    Beef Well-Known Member

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    I was saying to my dad the other day Lallana is over hyped. He was ok for us as he was the go to guy, so got about 40 chances to actually do something. Now he is just a average player around better players (Coutinho).
     
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  14. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Lallana has skill and can do exciting things, but is he consistent enough to suit the expectations of Liverpool. He was one of our own and therefore got more tolerance here.
     
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  15. benditlikeabanana

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    Lallana seems to have a pretty poor football brain, he generally twists and turns straight into trouble when there are other simple options open. He does loose the ball alot but he does win it back again alot as well
     
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