Off Topic Fallout 606

[Albert's Chip Shop]

[HASHTAG]#ReadTheRules[/HASHTAG]
That's only the synth doing the killing.

Looks very dodgy for Tash and now for you trying to back him Neville!

If Tash said he did not put himself in the saloon and yet he ended up there then he can only be a synth, as they're the only team.
So person X in the Synth team would have been the nominated killer (of Gerrez we assume), and all other synths would be in the saloon. So even if Tash was not online I'm guessing a teammate said to put him in there.

Maybe a tied lynch with Neville in there as well will show us something, I vote Neville. I'm a bit wary of having an outright runaway lynch vote this early, better to throw a couple of names in there and see what shakes loose. But Tash and Neville certainly are suspicious now.

Nev and Tash are a lot vocal than normal which is drawing my attention.
A tied lynch may let us see what voting patterns and switches transpire.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

I see your point but I still disagree.

We've seen in the past that when someone is up for an outright lynch (notably ACS the Gunsmith in the last game) that when they KNOW they're getting lynched they very often don't even bother defending themselves. They have a "Screw you guys if you think I'm guilty, you'll see tonight I'm innocent" attitude and it doesn't help us at all.
Likewise if they're bad guys their teammates will never even bother to try save them as you mention.

Now if it's a slightly closer vote (doesn't have to be a tie, just a realistic vote swing must be a possibility) then there is a lot more incentive for someone to justify their actions or to try prove their innocence. I agree the bad guys would be very wary of backing their own teammate unless its a very close vote, but at least the chance is still there that someone might try save their teammate, certainly more chance than the previous scenario. But the biggest advantage is if they're innocent they'll hopefully try clear their name.

Note I'm not saying that if we suspect someone then we should throw them in to a tied lynch. I'm all for lynching suspicious characters and I'm not a fan of just going for tied lynches as a default strategy. However I'm saying that I would prefer a 9-6 type vote rather than a 14-1 vote as it will hopefully tell us more info, and hopefully Tash will try defend himself (which he hasn't done yet).

A valid point but I had everyone voting for me so I was pissing into the wind even attempting to defend myself.
I was more focussed on wumming the town with facepalms as I thought I'd have a bit more fun before the sheep strung me up.
I was proved 100% correct too as the scouse puppetmaster was pulling everyone's strings... and well.

 

[Sir Tennisball]

I need to reign in the helpfulnes or tennis is going to think in a synth.

Don't worry, I need to reign it in too. The two of us are trying to figure things out but we need to get the opinions of other guys too or else they can just hide.

Just like the last game actually, remind me if you were town there again?

I have a habit of overthinking and then typing it all out, I'm trying to tone it down but it's not going so well...

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

NASH

 

[Sir Tennisball]

NASH

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

I see your point but I still disagree.

We've seen in the past that when someone is up for an outright lynch (notably ACS the Gunsmith in the last game) that when they KNOW they're getting lynched they very often don't even bother defending themselves. They have a "Screw you guys if you think I'm guilty, you'll see tonight I'm innocent" attitude and it doesn't help us at all.
Likewise if they're bad guys their teammates will never even bother to try save them as you mention.

Now if it's a slightly closer vote (doesn't have to be a tie, just a realistic vote swing must be a possibility) then there is a lot more incentive for someone to justify their actions or to try prove their innocence. I agree the bad guys would be very wary of backing their own teammate unless its a very close vote, but at least the chance is still there that someone might try save their teammate, certainly more chance than the previous scenario. But the biggest advantage is if they're innocent they'll hopefully try clear their name.

Note I'm not saying that if we suspect someone then we should throw them in to a tied lynch. I'm all for lynching suspicious characters and I'm not a fan of just going for tied lynches as a default strategy. However I'm saying that I would prefer a 9-6 type vote rather than a 14-1 vote as it will hopefully tell us more info, and hopefully Tash will try defend himself (which he hasn't done yet).

Just playing devils advocate.

What at would you expect to gain if it was 9-6. I think arm is clear favourite to be lynched and even in a close vote I think even you want him lynched ahead of Nev.

So there is no need for his team mates to try save him there... All that will happen is those voting Nev will be under suspicion of tash is innocent for next round because they voted against someone that was guilty.

In in usually all for a tied or close lynch but when you have not much to go on and there's one perso looking far more guilty than anyone else, I say let them swing and then put that 2nd person in a close lynch tomorrow.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Don't worry, I need to reign it in too. The two of us are trying to figure things out but we need to get the opinions of other guys too or else they can just hide.

Just like the last game actually, remind me if you were town there again?

I have a habit of overthinking and then typing it all out, I'm trying to tone it down but it's not going so well...

I haven't a clue at all mate.
It's too early for a considered vote.
Hardly anyone has posted really so out of the ones who have, Tash and Nev seem a bit iffy.
I'm back to work again shortly so will catch you chaps later.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

A valid point but I had everyone voting for me so I was pissing into the wind even attempting to defend myself.
I was more focussed on wumming the town with facepalms as I thought I'd have a bit more fun before the sheep strung me up.
I was proved 100% correct too as the scouse puppetmaster was pulling everyone's strings... and well.

And very proud of that I was too

Ps I'm a Liverpool fan so clearly not a scousers

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Nev and Tash are a lot vocal than normal which is drawing my attention.
A tied lynch may let us see what voting patterns and switches transpire.

Cos I'm usually so quiet and withdrawn in these games

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Don't worry, I need to reign it in too. The two of us are trying to figure things out but we need to get the opinions of other guys too or else they can just hide.

Just like the last game actually, remind me if you were town there again?

I have a habit of overthinking and then typing it all out, I'm trying to tone it down but it's not going so well...

To be fair when I was down to just me I was near enough townie anyway as I needed to kill the bandit team

your enemies enemy and all that...

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Nev had read the rules - but did it too quickly to check Tash's claim

I am town and when I'm mafia I NEVER back up my team mates. I might muddy the waters elsewhere but those who have been mafia with me will know that I never defend - it's a stupid move.

Gerrez could be lying about being patched up, but to me that would be a stupid move too. Much more likely that he is an innocent that survived a kill attempt. For now at least I think that is a town read.

Tash - I was thrown by his rule claim so now I don't know. The problem is I haven't seen enough of his playing style in the past. I can't exactly go after him for misquoting the rules now though can I?

Woof, woof

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

"Wow, wow, wow - I've just got back from Nolberto's place....I threw up on the way back. His head is now decorating the walls, poor guy musta p*ssed someone off in a previous life because that guy has been straight up shot dead. Anyone else hear the explosion at Tash's place last night? Lucky for that guy he was in the Saloon last night else we might be starting a body count. There's a few spare places behind Main Street, Tash, try and get a good night's sleep tonight. Special shout out to BRB - how's the head, buddy? Had to feel sorry for ya, one too many Nuka Beers and suddenly you're gay? Anyway, hope you had a good night at ACS's place. Thankfully, there's no more deaths to report but I have it on good authority that....and sit down, do NOT panic...there are indeed Synths living amongs us. Now far be it from me to spread panic and alarm, but I think it would be fitting in a post-apocalyptic shanty town built around an undetonated bomb to have a vote amongst us and push one of our townfolk out into the Wastelands tonight, so start conversing amongst yourselves and let's see who's the first one to go tonight."

The link between ACS and brb seems important. It doesn't tell us anything yet, but I don't think Rolando would be just revealing who two synths were like that. Does this mean @brb investigated ACS last night? If so it would seem to indicate that brb is human (not prove yet) and that if so he might know if ACS is human too. I think it's important not to let this info slide cos of the distraction with Tash.

I had stuff to do and didn't pick a place to hide, so I guess I died then? LOL.

I took this at first reading that @666 Tash 666 had something to do in the game, but on second reading I think it now looks like he had something to do in real life and didn't get the chance to choose somewhere to hide. If it is the case that Tash wasn't online then it does look like he could only have been placed in the saloon by his team mates. I think Tash made a similar mistake in the last game when he first appeared and found himself up for lynch and only escaped becasue brb distracted everyone.

I'm pretty sure it states in the RULES that Synths cannot be in the Saloon....

Is this a simple mistake like mine was or an attempt to confuse the thicker ones among us ( ) realising that he had ****ed up with his earlier post?

Not looking good so I'll (finally) vote Tash

 

[Sir Tennisball]

Just playing devils advocate.

What at would you expect to gain if it was 9-6. I think arm is clear favourite to be lynched and even in a close vote I think even you want him lynched ahead of Nev.

So there is no need for his team mates to try save him there... All that will happen is those voting Nev will be under suspicion of tash is innocent for next round because they voted against someone that was guilty.

In in usually all for a tied or close lynch but when you have not much to go on and there's one perso looking far more guilty than anyone else, I say let them swing and then put that 2nd person in a close lynch tomorrow.

You're right, I do think Tash is looking a lot more guilty and I'd rather lynch him than Nev, I'm just trying to broaden our options a bit.
I was just trying to think of a way that is the most likely to get extra info from people, it's not 100% foolproof but I do think it has some merit.

So if Tash is guilty we put focus on Nev tomorrow.
If Tash is innocent do we then still put pressure on Nev (due to the possibility of Option B being possible), or are we back to square one? Probably square one.

I just think that when we look back on voting patterns I'd much rather have multiple options, if everyone ganged up on Tash we learn nothing (in terms of voting blocks, obviously we learn if Tash is innocent or guilty), at least if it was a 9-6 vote you can try look for patterns.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

You're right, I do think Tash is looking a lot more guilty and I'd rather lynch him than Nev, I'm just trying to broaden our options a bit.
I was just trying to think of a way that is the most likely to get extra info from people, it's not 100% foolproof but I do think it has some merit.

So if Tash is guilty we put focus on Nev tomorrow.
If Tash is innocent do we then still put pressure on Nev (due to the possibility of Option B being possible), or are we back to square one? Probably square one.

I just think that when we look back on voting patterns I'd much rather have multiple options, if everyone ganged up on Tash we learn nothing (in terms of voting blocks, obviously we learn if Tash is innocent or guilty), at least if it was a 9-6 vote you can try look for patterns.

How about we lynch Tash tonight and ask Boone to kill me? He is shooting in the dark at the minute so at least I'd be a target under suspicion, and it would also free up proper voting opportunities tomorrow that might lead us to a synth. I know I am town but fully appreciate why others now have doubts.

 

[Sir Tennisball]

Just playing devils advocate.

What at would you expect to gain if it was 9-6. I think arm is clear favourite to be lynched and even in a close vote I think even you want him lynched ahead of Nev.

So there is no need for his team mates to try save him there... All that will happen is those voting Nev will be under suspicion of tash is innocent for next round because they voted against someone that was guilty.

In in usually all for a tied or close lynch but when you have not much to go on and there's one perso looking far more guilty than anyone else, I say let them swing and then put that 2nd person in a close lynch tomorrow.

Forgot to mention, the bit in bold at the end is exactly my view on lynches in most cases. The only reason I'm trying to discuss something slightly different is because it's effectively day 1 and we know nothing. Would be great if Tash tried to defend himself...

I'm all for voting Tash (I voted for him before I switched to Nev) but I'll keep my vote on Nev in case some people do want to bring the vote closer. I'm not fazed either way.

 

[Sir Tennisball]

How about we lynch Tash tonight and ask Boone to kill me? He is shooting in the dark at the minute so at least I'd be a target under suspicion, and it would also free up proper voting opportunities tomorrow that might lead us to a synth. I know I am town but fully appreciate why others now have doubts.

If you know you're town why would you sacrifice yourself though? Unless you're a doc it wouldn't make sense, rather hope Boone hits a synth.

EDIT: Docs can't save a Boone victim, my bad. [HASHTAG]#ReadTheRules[/HASHTAG]

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

If you know you're town why would you sacrifice yourself though? Unless you're a doc it wouldn't make sense, rather hope Boone hits a synth.

Simply because I don't think this game will last long and I don't think my mistake with the rules earlier should be a distraction for two days. There is more chance of Boone hitting a human than a synth, and if I am voted to be lynched tomorrow anyway that would be two days without a synth killed.If I am a doc anyway then you would know tomorrow that I am town if I am alive. If I am killed then tomorrow you can stop being distracted by this and focus on those who currently can hide without any effort.

 

[Style]

Maybe lynch Tash and the sheriff could investigate Neville?

 

[Sir Tennisball]

Maybe lynch Tash and the sheriff could investigate Neville?

I agree, I'd rather investigate someone claiming to be a townie and hope to kill a Synth. Lots of quiet players as per usual, I would rather target one of them.

Reasoning being that either they're synths trying to stay under the radar, or they're townies that are not contributing so they're not using their abilities anyway. I'm not sure what Nev's role is but at least he could use it for town's benefit as he is an active player, and he can help us figure out who the bad guys are.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Maybe lynch Tash and the sheriff could investigate Neville?

That would be an even more appealing option to me. It would only provide a confirmed human, which isn't as good as a confirmed synth though and would also mean that the sheriff had to expose himself to the synths. If we go down the route of investigating me then it should be dogmeat as only a public confirmation would be helpful and at least dogmeat couldn't be killed. Otherwise this just gives the synths an opportunity to out the sheriff in the knowledge he was confirming town and not synth.