Off Topic France under attack

[Monty Fisto]

What a ****ing gobshite. Trying to tell everyone how to live yet having a problem when others ACCORDING to you are trying to tell you how to live. Throwing insults etc thinking it's fine because you thought it.

P.s this is my country I was born here I live as I wish.

You are part of the irrelevant majority at best. Although trying to turn a thread about the French terrorist attacks into something about poor British Muslims being persecuted makes you sound like a sympathiser.

 

[Monty Fisto]

Don't normally post on these boards, just have a wonder and brief read about varying degrees of opinions on Arsenal and so forth. But I have to admit so many bigots come out of their wood work on social media and so on, when something like this happens, sadly innocent people on both sides suffer but we seem to mourn and think western life is worth more than those pesky Muslim's in those countries, where we drop the bombs, train/arm the rebels (until they go against the west), use drones and back countries who have a open prison (Palestine) and create mass refugees but that's not a problem or a reason why people turn to extremism oh no its the teaching of Islam.

We should not just mourn and show outrage for the innocents of one side because they are killed by ISIS and forget the others because they are killed by West or our friendly rebels.

There were some opinions going around that Muslim's should be all grouped together in one area of the UK, like it was in WW2 for Nazi supporters until ISIS have been dealt with or they should go back to their ancestral countries! I mean seriously? second, third and fourth generations don't belong here they say and at the same rate complain Muslim's don't integrate? I mean really how does one integrate and become part of Britain? Also what about the Muslim's that are not of the "Brown Skin" but are born and bred English, do the become foreign as well as soon as they change their faith or non-faith to faith? On the note of integration, does that mean all American's, Australian, Kiwi's and so on who haven't changed their life style to the same way as the natives they should go back to their ancestral lands? I hope not otherwise UK, would have a massive problem housing them!

I also get irritated when people say our forefathers fought for our freedom and made the country what it is today not for the Muslim's to come and take over, if recall correctly the Muslim's fought for this country too sacrificing their lives and settled here with their families and others were invited to come and build the infrastructure after the WW2 in UK, now all of their family, kids, grand kids and so on are un-welcome because they happen to be Muslim's.
you cannot boast about freedom of choice and free to live as you will for law abiding citizens and then complain they are not like us, they live differently, dress differently and have alien faith, don't forget once upon a time Christianity was Alien here too, most of the ones that say they are the natives, you will find their ancesters have emigrated here from elsewhere at some stage.

Arsenal, that would be the football team started by workers from a western ammunition factory.

 

[Spurlock]

Would that include living within Sharia law or are you happy with UK legislation ?

Like I said...law of the land...last time I checked there was no Sharia here. There's nothing wrong with the laws of this country, unless you have just been robbed..then your in trouble if you defend yourself. As for being a Muslim.....nothing wrong with uk laws.....I'm a law abiding citizen who pays my bills and taxes...and I was born here......so I am more than happy with MY country's laws.

I think the non Muslim uk community is slightly paranoid that every Muslim wants Sharia law here..

Nathanial Rothschild owns shares in a huge company called Genel energy..which bought into BP...and Genel energy buys oil off ISIS. This is why strangely enough...this time round....the uk and USA have not bombed the **** out of the oil in ISIS occupied lands.....hmmmm.

Rothschilds, you know, one of the most powerful families in the world.....with total control over the banking systems and the United States government.

Maybe you all need to point your finger at Downing Street and in true footballing spirit and sing :

Are you ISIS?
Are you ISIS?
Are you ISIS in disguise?
Are you ISIS in disguise ?

You pig ****er
You pig ****er
You pig ****er.


I might even join you, let me know when your going.

 

[Stereo]

OK, obviously most of us don't understand the mentality of the cowardly ISIS animals, but Spurlock has just made a connection between Rothschild/Genel/BP/UK USA Government buying oil off ISIS.
I'm no salesman, but surely it makes no sense does it ?
Why would ISIS sell oil to the enemy ? For the money ?
If they want their money then why would you attack your customers ?
If not for the money then why - surely it would hurt the enemy to stop selling them oil wouldn't it ?

But then again it made no sense to sell them a load of guns in the first place.
It's all ****ed up.

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

It is all f**ked up , we look to guidance from our "leaders" to ensure they have our interest at heart and a common theme throughout this thread is they clearly haven't They're not the ones being butchered everyday are they ! .We look for easy targets when we're attacked and I'm afraid that followers of Islam have done just become that .Instead of randomly coming on to threads such as this , the likes of Spurlock bitch and moan about themselves as serial victims it would seem .Do you honestly believe the sheep that follow Islam and there are many won't cow down to their masters when the muslims become a majority in this country , a silent one at that .

 

[daimungeezer]

...I think the non Muslim uk community is slightly paranoid that every Muslim wants Sharia law here..

Maybe that's because the only Muslim voices we hear are the vocal minority who demand sharia law etc. Where is the vocal majority of peace loving Muslims?

Maybe you all need to point your finger at Downing Street and in true footballing spirit and sing :

Are you ISIS?
Are you ISIS?
Are you ISIS in disguise?
Are you ISIS in disguise ?

You pig ****er
You pig ****er
You pig ****er.

I might even join you, let me know when your going.

Are you as fervent when a hate preacher visits your area or local mosque? Do you shout them down and point out the error of their ways? Will you be vocalising in person in your local community, rather than anonomously online, against the radical extremists?

 

[swantastic]

It could be all part of their new world order plans, and while we are distracted by hating each other they carry on moulding everyone and everything into place for a big kull ?
Or it could just be mans primal instincts going into over drive to kill anyone that doesn't belong to one tribe or the other, where the unknown breeds fear which can be used to gain power by those that would benefit most ?

Self preservation is a natural instinct ! and one that those driving the mass invasion of Europe may have underestimated the reaction of the ( NATIVES ! , indigionous population, longest settled races there. Take your pick what you prefer to call those that built europe ? ) the real facts that we could be bred out by so called leaders forcefully tipping the balance of population numbers in favour of Muslims who have a very large chunk of the world where they historically originate from but have wrecked it over centuries of killing each other before the oil wars added to it ,are bound to make the westerners nervous when they invade en mass bringing all their problems with them !

If you had all your friends visit your house and stay over for a night or two it would be crowded but fun just for a night or two. But if they all decided to move in for ever and not chip in with the bills and expect you to keep them for ever while taking the piss expecting you to do things the way they want and treating you with disrespect , you would soon go bankrupt and want to move away from them all ?

The peaceful law abiding Muslims are welcome but the numbers of all immigrants should be controlled to allow slow integration which would have avoided the large separate ethnic areas that are popping up all the time in our country which on the whole don't mix with other nationalities, forming countries within country !
If the Muslims took to the streets in large peaceful protest against Isis with banners condemning them and showing unity and love for the UK, it would lift their profile here but that doesn't seem to happen . Why not ?

 

[daimungeezer]

Do you honestly believe the sheep that follow Islam and there are many won't cow down to their masters when the muslims become a majority in this country , a silent one at that .

A very salient point. I feel this is the crux of the matter really. The so-called peace loving majority of Muslims have no intention of speaking out against the radicals and when push comes to shove will do what they're told to by them.

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If the Muslims took to the streets in large peaceful protest against Isis with banners condemning them and showing unity and love for the UK, it would lift their profile here but that doesn't seem to happen . Why not ?

This.

 

[Kifflom!]

Spurlock: Yes, we have to "tell people how to live" to an extent otherwise there would be chaos. It's the framework of society. My son's best mate works in Dubai. His partner is from the Philippines and became pregnant. They had to hide that fact and flee the country because both would have been thrown in jail for having sex outside marriage, and she would have had the baby on the floor of a cell. A 75 year old man has recently escaped being flogged in Saudi Arabia but suffered in jail there for a year because he had some home made wine in the boot of his car. ALL countries tell their citizens how to live one way or another. Thankfully, Western societies have limited rules - but if you're here abide by them. DON'T beat your wife - DON'T genitally mutilate your daughter. DON'T force her to marry someone because you ****ing say so. DON'T have more than one wife. Most Muslims adhere to those rules. Some dont.

You say there is no Sharia here. Sharia courts and Councils are operating within the UK and to say otherwise is just being an ostrich. To me, that's revolting. Our freedoms and liberal outlook have resulted in the piss being taken and it has to stop. You are either remarkably uneducated about Islam, or refuse to see the truth so my words are probably wasted. Many Muslims, encouraged by our ignorant politicians, are like the three monkeys when it comes to Islam and ISIS - they simply refuse to acknowledge that Islam is at its very core. It's strange but my Egyptian friends don't have a problem with the concept. It's a Wahhabi/ Salafist organisation and even their flag is religious in nature. They kill other Muslims because they regard others sects as infidels or apostates - probably you included. On the other hand, UK Muslims see any criticism of Islam as a personal slight. Like you. That's why the reject the ISIS/ Islam connection. It's recognising Islam is deeply flawed, and you can't possibly have that can you?

THAT'S why people are pissed off with the so called 'moderates' among us. They, and the leftist white-guilt apologists blame Israel, the Jews, big business, the Americans, Imperialism, yadda yadda yadda. Anyone really, other that the Islamist ****ers who carry out these atrocities in the name of Allah. YOU , yes YOU are a big part of the problem we have to overcome. Get those fingers out of your ears and speak out. Some brave Muslims (despite death threats) are already doing it.

You want to post pics? This is one of the guys behind the Paris attacks. I wonder what book that is in his right hand. Take a ****ing guess. I don't know if you read Arabic but the top of the flag reads "There is no god but Allah. Mohammad is the messenger of Allah.” Of course that doesn't mean all Muslims are like him - thank goodness they are not. But to say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is just a blatant lie.

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[swantastic]

For those who have to deal with idiots who don't believe in retaliation against ISIS:
1. Engage in conversation, and ask if military force is appropriate.
2. When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"
3. Wait until he says something to the effect of "using violence against violence doesn't solve anything."
4. When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
5. When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would be awful and he should not cause more violence.
6. Wait until he agrees, and has pledged not to commit additional violence.
7. Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
8. Repeat steps 5 through 7 until he understands that sometimes it is necessary to punch back."

 

[Kifflom!]

Send that to Corbyn, swan.

I was surprised to see Farage during his speech last night urge caution about further bombing of ISIS. He was making the point that no good has come from bombing in the past and you have to implement a proper end game strategy. I see his point but I disagree with him on this. It's not like a foolish attempt to remove a dictator with no idea how to replace him, and I think a failure to respond will be seen as weakness. I would obliterate them.

Cameron in the House of Commons just now on ISIS "Their interpretation isn't true Islam. We have to take apart their arguments". This from a man who understands nothing of the Qur'an and assumes that because most Muslims are peaceful it's their interpretation that is correct. You need to physically destroy ISIS, mate, because you cannot win a theological argument any more than moderates can. With over 120 Qur'anic suras advocating violence you will be pushing peas up a hill with a rake, so good luck with that.

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

Send that to Corbyn, swan.

I was surprised to see Farage during his speech last night urge caution about further bombing of ISIS. He was making the point that no good has come from bombing in the past and you have to implement a proper end game strategy. I see his point but I disagree with him on this. It's not like a foolish attempt to remove a dictator with no idea how to replace him, and I think a failure to respond will be seen as weakness. I would obliterate them.

IMO We do need a proper thought out and defined strategy , and a unified one at that . It's no good us in isolation taking on an insidious enemy with out a combined agreement on how we attack them .Sometimes it appears that it is only the West suffering from these attacks but this is a world wide phenomenon .As weak and
in effective the UN can be there needs to be collective agreement throughout member states on how we tackle the threat. By attacking in isolation means that we're only picking away at the problem and once one "area " or by what ever description you care to use then like a cancer another group will form and have formed elsewhere , all following the same ideology .To my way of thinking the only way we can succeed is by unity , the trouble being is now the "enemy" is well established within our borders and how they are dealt with is complicated .

 

[Spurlock]

Maybe that's because the only Muslim voices we hear are the vocal minority who demand sharia law etc. Where is the vocal majority of peace loving Muslims?



Are you as fervent when a hate preacher visits your area or local mosque? Do you shout them down and point out the error of their ways? Will you be vocalising in person in your local community, rather than anonomously online, against the radical extremists?

I have never ever come across a hate preacher in my local vicinity. The mosque imams on a regular basis are speaking up against what is going on and constantly warning the youth about these people and how they are war mongering, hiding behind the global enemy that is Islam. This is not just my problem,or just a Muslim problem. This is our problem...because ISIS don't represent Islam....just like EDL don't represent every white Brit...I think.

As for vocalising in person...no I won't....however many in positions of authority have done. What my job is to inform the authorities if something is suspect, me and many others will do that.

ISIS is a powerful organisation as is becoming apparent. They don't just go around Muslim communities and say ' you, you and you' your coming with us.....and these peoples parents don't say...'Yes take my son, we educated him,loved him raised him with Morals and manners for you, Lord ISIS'

It's a ****ing insult to think that's what people think it is like, all at the ****ing comfort of their armchairs.

This is an organised crime syndicate. You don't just get a bunch of mates together and go around killing people, in Friday's manner. These people recruit in a very advanced manner. You make out as though they have a stall up in the corner with some **** shouting 'sign up, sign up, who wants to be our latest suicide bomber' ****sake.....get off your arses and learn something. My passport is red, born and raised in the UK, I enjoy my fish and chips...I don't see why I have to prove myself anymore than a beer guzzling white boy to be quite frank. This is my ****ing country pal....my father was a law abiding citizen as am I...and hopefully my kids after me.

Have you ever watched interviews of the family members of these youths that have gone and joined ISIS. They don't even have a ****ing clue what is going on under their noses. They only find out when they see their kids missing one morning...and you expect and insist that some random bloke visiting the mosque is hiding info because he hasn't dobbed anyone in.

How naive...I hope that helps though...because this is about the 5th time since Friday that I have had to justify my own exhistence in this country. No wonder your eventually told to **** off by the youth....they are sick of seeing it.

So you cry about integration...how about educate yourself.

You think we sit in our homes wishing death on everyone? Hating our own country? Putting our own kids at risk? I tell you what we have said on many occasions though.....white British people are racist in a lot of subtle ways, not all but it's shocking how many. When my wife's white friends found out that she was marrying me..most of them stopped talking to her..why? It's not because I'm brown...it's because I'm a Muslim...****ing fact

It's been a good social experiment this has

 

[Kifflom!]

Agreed Matt. But it's a tough ask when 27% of UK Muslims had sympathy with the Charlie Ebdo attackers' motives. 11% agreed with the attacks themselves. That's scary.

Scurlock. The EDL don't represent all white people but as a white person I acknowledge that right wingers and evil Nazis exist among my kind and have an interpretation of the way they think we should live. They are a part of the political and social narrative whether I like it or not. The big difference is that the majority of white people speak out against these extremists. They are marginalised as a result and don't force the agenda. ISIS on the other hand are clearly forcing the agenda.

But I've said it before and I'll say it again. Louder. THIS ISN'T ABOUT MOST MUSLIMS!

Hope that's clear.

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

I have never ever come across a hate preacher in my local vicinity. The mosque imams on a regular basis are speaking up against what is going on and constantly warning the youth about these people and how they are war mongering, hiding behind the global enemy that is Islam. This is not just my problem,or just a Muslim problem. This is our problem...because ISIS don't represent Islam....just like EDL don't represent every white Brit...I think.

As for vocalising in person...no I won't....however many in positions of authority have done. What my job is to inform the authorities if something is suspect, me and many others will do that.

ISIS is a powerful organisation as is becoming apparent. They don't just go around Muslim communities and say ' you, you and you' your coming with us.....and these peoples parents don't say...'Yes take my son, we educated him,loved him raised him with Morals and manners for you, Lord ISIS'

It's a ****ing insult to think that's what people think it is like, all at the ****ing comfort of their armchairs.

This is an organised crime syndicate. You don't just get a bunch of mates together and go around killing people, in Friday's manner. These people recruit in a very advanced manner. You make out as though they have a stall up in the corner with some **** shouting 'sign up, sign up, who wants to be our latest suicide bomber' ****sake.....get off your arses and learn something. My passport is red, born and raised in the UK, I enjoy my fish and chips...I don't see why I have to prove myself anymore than a beer guzzling white boy to be quite frank. This is my ****ing country pal....my father was a law abiding citizen as am I...and hopefully my kids after me.

Have you ever watched interviews of the family members of these youths that have gone and joined ISIS. They don't even have a ****ing clue what is going on u dear their noses. They only find out when they see their kids missing one morning...and you expect and insist that some random bloke visiting the mosque is hiding info because he hasn't robbed anyone in.

How naive...I hope that helps though...because this is about the 5th time since Friday that I have had to justify my own exhistence in this country. No wonder your eventually told to **** off by the youth....they are sick of seeing it.

So you cry about integration...how about educate yourself.

You think we sit in our homes wishing death on everyone? Hating our own country? Putting our own kids at risk? I tell you what we have said on many occasions though.....white British people are racist in a lot of subtle ways, not all but it's shocking how many. When my wife's white friends found out that she was marrying me..most of them stopped talking to her..why? It's not because I'm brown...it's because I'm a Muslim...****ing fact

It's been a good social experiment this has

If you want to change the perception of how muslims are viewed in this country then you have to be more vocal and whether you like the idea or not publicly vocal
Was this on the mainstream news ? did you attend ? would you attend ?.

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[Kifflom!]

Great to see the Kurds out in force. Of course, we've allowed the Turks to bomb them. It's ****ing mad.

 

[Spurlock]

No I won't attend due to geography..doesn't mean I'm against it....I've attended many rallies close to me. I refuse to prove myself to you however.

 

[Matthew Bound Still Lurks]

No I won't attend due to geography..doesn't mean I'm against it....I've attended many rallies close to me. I refuse to prove myself to you however.

You just did

 

[Kifflom!]

I'm not sure of the point your trying to make, Spurlock. Were are on the same side here aren't we? Nobody here has even remotely suggested that all Muslims are like ISIS. You are merely reinforcing the widely held belief that, just like most 'moderates' you won't hear a word of criticism about Islam. One of my heroes, Douglas Murray, encountered this when he did a debate on You Tube about whether Islam was a religion of peace. The 'moderate' audience booed him, despite the fact that he was only pointing out inescapable truths. He is a gay man with many Muslim friends, and he couldn't be further away from bigotry.

Islam is now the religion of permanent offence - no criticism is allowed, no scrutiny of its credo permitted. Saying ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is a symptom of that.

 

[seabreeze]

I've met lots of Catholics , some I liked and some I didn't.Same scenario with all religions .
I've never met a Muslim I liked , and not from lack of trying and I'm sure there was all types of Muslims in the bunch during our casual meeting.
What they all had in common was their condescending appearence towards non Muslims within moments of meeting them , and their mightier than thou mannerisms toward non Muslims front and centre during the casual meeting.
Soon as I seen these non qualities , I , quietly , treat them condescendedly , cut their conversation off as if what they say means little , subtlely compliment their wives when their present . , anything I know they would not like without being outright mean or straightforward.
It's a beautiful thing to watch the transaction of all the ones I've met anyways , go from that condescending manner to a guarded anger from head to toe.
Maybe it's coincidence that I only met unlikable ones , hope to meet a likeable one day.
One think I can say , of the ones I've met , they like me ten times less when they walk away from the casual meeting than they disliked me at the start of it .