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being a bit abusive to , well just about everyoneReally? Why? When? How? Not that I'm complaining or anything.
, which is a pity really ,it would have been interesting to see whether we should still let the world and his dog in , although it looks like the dogs have arrived .'He didn't mean it': Mum defends Paris suicide bomber son
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Deluded mum defended her son despite his involvement in deadly attacks Reuters
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6745800/Mum-of-suicide-bomber-defends-her-son.html
Yep, he must have packed explosives into that vest by mistake. He thought it was cupcakes.
I did think this was funny even though the subject matter was anything but. Classic quote:
"If you're involved in a war of culture and lifestyle with France, good ****ing luck."
I did think this was funny even though the subject matter was anything but. Classic quote:
"If you're involved in a war of culture and lifestyle with France, good ****ing luck."
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Interesting interview on the News just now with the mayor of the Brussels suburb where these killers were from. Went something like this:
Q: "We've heard stories of police being unable to go into this area to make arrests."
A: "Well that's not really true. It's just that when the police appear they get molotov cocktails thrown at them."
Welcome to modern Europe, eh?
Oh, and the latest from Comrade Corbyn. He believes that if something like this happened in the UK our police/ troops should NOT be given the power to shoot to kill terrorists on sight. What does he ****ing propose they do? Shout out to them that we'd be awfully grateful if they'd drop their weapons? Give them a hug? Even Labour MPs are shocked. The man has always been ridiculous. Now he's dangerous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023
Q: "We've heard stories of police being unable to go into this area to make arrests."
A: "Well that's not really true. It's just that when the police appear they get molotov cocktails thrown at them."
Welcome to modern Europe, eh?
Oh, and the latest from Comrade Corbyn. He believes that if something like this happened in the UK our police/ troops should NOT be given the power to shoot to kill terrorists on sight. What does he ****ing propose they do? Shout out to them that we'd be awfully grateful if they'd drop their weapons? Give them a hug? Even Labour MPs are shocked. The man has always been ridiculous. Now he's dangerous.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023
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They'll get more than that thrown at them, once the 4000 Isis terrorist start their campaign of terror………….
Don't normally post on these boards, just have a wonder and brief read about varying degrees of opinions on Arsenal and so forth. But I have to admit so many bigots come out of their wood work on social media and so on, when something like this happens, sadly innocent people on both sides suffer but we seem to mourn and think western life is worth more than those pesky Muslim's in those countries, where we drop the bombs, train/arm the rebels (until they go against the west), use drones and back countries who have a open prison (Palestine) and create mass refugees but that's not a problem or a reason why people turn to extremism oh no its the teaching of Islam.
We should not just mourn and show outrage for the innocents of one side because they are killed by ISIS and forget the others because they are killed by West or our friendly rebels.
There were some opinions going around that Muslim's should be all grouped together in one area of the UK, like it was in WW2 for Nazi supporters until ISIS have been dealt with or they should go back to their ancestral countries! I mean seriously? second, third and fourth generations don't belong here they say and at the same rate complain Muslim's don't integrate? I mean really how does one integrate and become part of Britain? Also what about the Muslim's that are not of the "Brown Skin" but are born and bred English, do the become foreign as well as soon as they change their faith or non-faith to faith? On the note of integration, does that mean all American's, Australian, Kiwi's and so on who haven't changed their life style to the same way as the natives they should go back to their ancestral lands? I hope not otherwise UK, would have a massive problem housing them!
I also get irritated when people say our forefathers fought for our freedom and made the country what it is today not for the Muslim's to come and take over, if recall correctly the Muslim's fought for this country too sacrificing their lives and settled here with their families and others were invited to come and build the infrastructure after the WW2 in UK, now all of their family, kids, grand kids and so on are un-welcome because they happen to be Muslim's.
you cannot boast about freedom of choice and free to live as you will for law abiding citizens and then complain they are not like us, they live differently, dress differently and have alien faith, don't forget once upon a time Christianity was Alien here too, most of the ones that say they are the natives, you will find their ancesters have emigrated here from elsewhere at some stage.
We should not just mourn and show outrage for the innocents of one side because they are killed by ISIS and forget the others because they are killed by West or our friendly rebels.
There were some opinions going around that Muslim's should be all grouped together in one area of the UK, like it was in WW2 for Nazi supporters until ISIS have been dealt with or they should go back to their ancestral countries! I mean seriously? second, third and fourth generations don't belong here they say and at the same rate complain Muslim's don't integrate? I mean really how does one integrate and become part of Britain? Also what about the Muslim's that are not of the "Brown Skin" but are born and bred English, do the become foreign as well as soon as they change their faith or non-faith to faith? On the note of integration, does that mean all American's, Australian, Kiwi's and so on who haven't changed their life style to the same way as the natives they should go back to their ancestral lands? I hope not otherwise UK, would have a massive problem housing them!
I also get irritated when people say our forefathers fought for our freedom and made the country what it is today not for the Muslim's to come and take over, if recall correctly the Muslim's fought for this country too sacrificing their lives and settled here with their families and others were invited to come and build the infrastructure after the WW2 in UK, now all of their family, kids, grand kids and so on are un-welcome because they happen to be Muslim's.
you cannot boast about freedom of choice and free to live as you will for law abiding citizens and then complain they are not like us, they live differently, dress differently and have alien faith, don't forget once upon a time Christianity was Alien here too, most of the ones that say they are the natives, you will find their ancesters have emigrated here from elsewhere at some stage.
"Only the fool has said in his heart, there is no God" so in your imaginary world dear, please explain rationally how we got here? and no unproven imaginary 'Evolutionary theories" and wild fantasies please............
You sure you want to go down this route?
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Your views are sadly typical of the liberal left - the same thinking you exhibit is currently destroying Sweden. You hate Britain. You hate our culture, our history and our achievements in the world.You pour scorn on our recent ancestors that died for the freedoms we are now happily handing over to Brussels. By the way, very few British Muslims fought for the UK - there weren't that many back then, though I accept the role of Commonwealth troops, fighting far away from their own home in many cases. But today, isn't it a sad indictment that more UK Muslims went to fight for ISIS than are in the armed services? What does that tell you?
You think that anyone who criticises Islam is a racist, and that we hate all Muslims. We are, to use that awful word that you've chosen "bigots". You wear a badge of tolerance, thinking that makes you hip and groovy, without looking at the consequences of forced multiculturalism - a mercilessly pursued dogma in Europe that has resulted not in harmony but in division, where neighbourhoods don't exhibit different races living cheek by jowl but people of one culture living in ghettos. I accept this is slightly less of a problem in the UK but in Amsterdam there are enclaves of Turks that NEVER speak to Dutch people, that don't even know HOW to speak Dutch. That is bad for social cohesion and it's not how I want my country to be, though I'm absolutely sure that parts of London are already lost.
You ask "how does one integrate and become part of Britain? " and the answer is simple, though even asking that question is shocking to me. I refer to Muslims here, but firstly learn English, teach your kids your religion by all means and be proud of your own culture and history, but don't send your kids to a Madrassa. Live the British way by teaching them our laws that include tolerance and the equal rights of the opposite sex and of gays. Don't live in Muslim enclaves where Sharia rules. The law of this country is that of England & Wales. Sharia discriminates against women, is often barbaric and has NO place here. Respect the country that gave you (or your ancestors) a home, and be grateful for it.
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY here has said Muslims should be 'rounded up and put into camps'. NOBODY has said that all Muslims are the same. I don't know how far back in this thread you've gone but for the record I am a frequent visitor to Egypt, speak some Arabic and have Muslim friends there. A bigot I most certainly am not. One thing I am certain about, it's liberal lefties like you that have caused this problem by supporting uncontrolled immigration and embracing Islam, thinking Muslims can 'enrich' our own culture when in fact one particular strain of it wants nothing other than to destroy it.
Your views are sadly typical of the liberal left - the same thinking you exhibit is currently destroying Sweden. You hate Britain. You hate our culture, our history and our achievements in the world.You pour scorn on our recent ancestors that died for the freedoms we are now happily handing over to Brussels. By the way, very few British Muslims fought for the UK - there weren't that many back then, though I accept the role of Commonwealth troops, fighting far away from their own home in many cases. But today, isn't it a sad indictment that more UK Muslims went to fight for ISIS than are in the armed services? What does that tell you?
You think that anyone who criticises Islam is a racist, and that we hate all Muslims. We are, to use that awful word that you've chosen "bigots". You wear a badge of tolerance, thinking that makes you hip and groovy, without looking at the consequences of forced multiculturalism - a mercilessly pursued dogma in Europe that has resulted not in harmony but in division, where neighbourhoods don't exhibit different races living cheek by jowl but people of one culture living in ghettos. I accept this is slightly less of a problem in the UK but in Amsterdam there are enclaves of Turks that NEVER speak to Dutch people, that don't even know HOW to speak Dutch. That is bad for social cohesion and it's not how I want my country to be, though I'm absolutely sure that parts of London are already lost.
You ask "how does one integrate and become part of Britain? " and the answer is simple, though even asking that question is shocking to me. I refer to Muslims here, but firstly learn English, teach your kids your religion by all means and be proud of your own culture and history, but don't send your kids to a Madrassa. Live the British way by teaching them our laws that include tolerance and the equal rights of the opposite sex and of gays. Don't live in Muslim enclaves where Sharia rules. The law of this country is that of England & Wales. Sharia discriminates against women, is often barbaric and has NO place here. Respect the country that gave you (or your ancestors) a home, and be grateful for it.
NOBODY and I mean NOBODY here has said Muslims should be 'rounded up and put into camps'. NOBODY has said that all Muslims are the same. I don't know how far back in this thread you've gone but for the record I am a frequent visitor to Egypt, speak some Arabic and have Muslim friends there. A bigot I most certainly am not. One thing I am certain about, it's liberal lefties like you that have caused this problem by supporting uncontrolled immigration and embracing Islam, thinking Muslims can 'enrich' our own culture when in fact one particular strain of it wants nothing other than to destroy it.
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Now I wanted to say something like that but couldn't find the right words, kiff spot on mate.
"NOBODY and I mean NOBODY here has said Muslims should be 'rounded up and put into camps'. NOBODY has said that all Muslims are the same"
this is true but stuff like this:
"if I was Prime Minister, I'd ship all Muslims out of our country, without any hesitation........................"
(not written by you Kifflom I hasten to add) doesn't help at all.
this is true but stuff like this:
"if I was Prime Minister, I'd ship all Muslims out of our country, without any hesitation........................
"(not written by you Kifflom I hasten to add) doesn't help at all.
Perhaps the muslim communities should take note about how to integrate within the UK
New report reveals snapshot of British Sikh community
Jasvir Singh
14 April 2014
Many Sikhs in Britain, including myself, share a similar account of how our parents and grandparents came to the UK in the 1960s and 1970s with little more than £10 in their pockets, endured dreadful racism and worked hard to ensure that their children could have better lives than themselves. Theirs is a tale of ingenuity and integration whilst retaining their unique identity, both cultural and religious.
The Sikh community has progressed greatly since those days of mass migration, but there remains very little information available regarding the make-up of modern British Sikhs.
To fill this gap, the British Sikh Report 2014 has just been released, an annual project attempting to capture a snapshot of the contemporary British Sikh community by means of quantitative data. This grassroots research project has received the support of a number of organisations, Sikh and non-Sikh alike.
Established in 2012, the project aims to create greater awareness of Sikhs within Britain whilst acting as a mirror for the community itself to consider their changing needs. The parliamentary launch was attended by MPs and Lords including Sadiq Khan, Fabian Hamilton, Stephen Timms, Pritti Patel, Lord Crathorne and Lord Dholakia amongst others.
One key figure to emerge from the BSR 2014 is that the value of the Sikh pound is £7.63 bn. That is impressive for a community which, according to the 2011 census, is merely 430,000 strong throughout the United Kingdom. Sikhs are also seen to have a strong entrepreneurial spirit, with one in three Sikh families in the UK (33 per cent) owning businesses.
The BSR 2014 further sets out that 87 per cent of British Sikhs own their homes either outright or with a mortgage, and that only 9 per cent rent their homes. A significant proportion of Sikhs (47 per cent) live in multi-generational homes, showing that living with one’s family remains an important part of the British Sikh experience. Sikh families are very likely to own more than one property in the UK (49 per cent) as well as a property in India (50 per cent).
This kind of research is pivotal towards our understanding of the various communities which form our nation. It is also important for minority communities such as British Sikhs to be recognised and acknowledged in their own right rather than as part of a larger homogeneous grouping of ‘British Asians’ as is often the case. The BSR 2014 found that 70 per cent of respondents self-identified as either British or British Sikh, whereas only 1 per cent described themselves as ‘British Asian’ – yet this term is liberally used within the media to describe anybody of South Asian descent.
What is also interesting from the statistics is the diversity of opinion which exists amongst British Sikhs. 38 per cent would send their children to a faith school, whilst a similar number (37 per cent) would not. 37 per cent of British Sikhs are teetotal whilst 28 per cent drink alcohol at least once a week. 55 per cent are comfortable with a close family member marrying somebody from a non-Sikh background.
2014 is a year of many anniversaries for British Sikhs. This May marks 160 years since the first Sikh arrived on British soil, a deposed King from the Punjab whose children eventually had Queen Victoria as their godmother. Sikhs also formed a substantial contingent of soldiers during the First World War, and a centenary exhibition marking the role of Sikhs fighting for King and Empire shall be held in London this summer.
The most tragic of anniversaries will take place this year as it is 30 years since the storming of the Golden Temple complex in Amritsar by the Indian armed forces in June 1984 and the genocide of thousands of Sikhs in Delhi and other cities in India in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s assassination by two Sikh bodyguards in October that year. The revelations in January this year that the British government of the day had sent an SAS officer to India in the months running up to the storming of the Golden Temple complex has led some Sikhs to question their Britishness and re-evaluate their self-identity.
British Sikhs have a diversity of views, are strongly family orientated and are financially powerful. In some constituencies, they are electorally powerful, too. In the run-up to May 2015, the community is likely to be courted by all political parties, especially where marginal seats in the Midlands and the South East are concerned.
But it is about time that all politicians realised that a cursory trip to the Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) is not enough to convince the Sikh community to vote for them. True engagement is necessary, and it is hoped that the British Sikh Report will help facilitate such discourse and debate for everyone to better understand the wants and needs of this community.
Jasvir Singh is the Chair of the British Sikh Report, Chair of the City Sikhs Network (the lead partner of the BSR 2014), and is Treasurer of Vauxhall CLP and Sikhs for Labour. If you wish to read the BSR 2014, it is available to download at www.britishsikhreport.org.
New report reveals snapshot of British Sikh community
Jasvir Singh
14 April 2014
Many Sikhs in Britain, including myself, share a similar account of how our parents and grandparents came to the UK in the 1960s and 1970s with little more than £10 in their pockets, endured dreadful racism and worked hard to ensure that their children could have better lives than themselves. Theirs is a tale of ingenuity and integration whilst retaining their unique identity, both cultural and religious.
The Sikh community has progressed greatly since those days of mass migration, but there remains very little information available regarding the make-up of modern British Sikhs.
To fill this gap, the British Sikh Report 2014 has just been released, an annual project attempting to capture a snapshot of the contemporary British Sikh community by means of quantitative data. This grassroots research project has received the support of a number of organisations, Sikh and non-Sikh alike.
Established in 2012, the project aims to create greater awareness of Sikhs within Britain whilst acting as a mirror for the community itself to consider their changing needs. The parliamentary launch was attended by MPs and Lords including Sadiq Khan, Fabian Hamilton, Stephen Timms, Pritti Patel, Lord Crathorne and Lord Dholakia amongst others.
One key figure to emerge from the BSR 2014 is that the value of the Sikh pound is £7.63 bn. That is impressive for a community which, according to the 2011 census, is merely 430,000 strong throughout the United Kingdom. Sikhs are also seen to have a strong entrepreneurial spirit, with one in three Sikh families in the UK (33 per cent) owning businesses.
The BSR 2014 further sets out that 87 per cent of British Sikhs own their homes either outright or with a mortgage, and that only 9 per cent rent their homes. A significant proportion of Sikhs (47 per cent) live in multi-generational homes, showing that living with one’s family remains an important part of the British Sikh experience. Sikh families are very likely to own more than one property in the UK (49 per cent) as well as a property in India (50 per cent).
This kind of research is pivotal towards our understanding of the various communities which form our nation. It is also important for minority communities such as British Sikhs to be recognised and acknowledged in their own right rather than as part of a larger homogeneous grouping of ‘British Asians’ as is often the case. The BSR 2014 found that 70 per cent of respondents self-identified as either British or British Sikh, whereas only 1 per cent described themselves as ‘British Asian’ – yet this term is liberally used within the media to describe anybody of South Asian descent.
What is also interesting from the statistics is the diversity of opinion which exists amongst British Sikhs. 38 per cent would send their children to a faith school, whilst a similar number (37 per cent) would not. 37 per cent of British Sikhs are teetotal whilst 28 per cent drink alcohol at least once a week. 55 per cent are comfortable with a close family member marrying somebody from a non-Sikh background.
2014 is a year of many anniversaries for British Sikhs. This May marks 160 years since the first Sikh arrived on British soil, a deposed King from the Punjab whose children eventually had Queen Victoria as their godmother. Sikhs also formed a substantial contingent of soldiers during the First World War, and a centenary exhibition marking the role of Sikhs fighting for King and Empire shall be held in London this summer.
The most tragic of anniversaries will take place this year as it is 30 years since the storming of the Golden Temple complex in Amritsar by the Indian armed forces in June 1984 and the genocide of thousands of Sikhs in Delhi and other cities in India in the aftermath of Indira Gandhi’s assassination by two Sikh bodyguards in October that year. The revelations in January this year that the British government of the day had sent an SAS officer to India in the months running up to the storming of the Golden Temple complex has led some Sikhs to question their Britishness and re-evaluate their self-identity.
British Sikhs have a diversity of views, are strongly family orientated and are financially powerful. In some constituencies, they are electorally powerful, too. In the run-up to May 2015, the community is likely to be courted by all political parties, especially where marginal seats in the Midlands and the South East are concerned.
But it is about time that all politicians realised that a cursory trip to the Gurdwara (Sikh place of worship) is not enough to convince the Sikh community to vote for them. True engagement is necessary, and it is hoped that the British Sikh Report will help facilitate such discourse and debate for everyone to better understand the wants and needs of this community.
Jasvir Singh is the Chair of the British Sikh Report, Chair of the City Sikhs Network (the lead partner of the BSR 2014), and is Treasurer of Vauxhall CLP and Sikhs for Labour. If you wish to read the BSR 2014, it is available to download at www.britishsikhreport.org.
What a ****ing gobshite. Trying to tell everyone how to live yet having a problem when others ACCORDING to you are trying to tell you how to live. Throwing insults etc thinking it's fine because you thought it.
P.s this is my country I was born here
I live as I wish.
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"NOBODY and I mean NOBODY here has said Muslims should be 'rounded up and put into camps'. NOBODY has said that all Muslims are the same"
this is true but stuff like this:
"if I was Prime Minister, I'd ship all Muslims out of our country, without any hesitation........................
(not written by you Kifflom I hasten to add) doesn't help at all.
Hmmmm I would add a few Welsh gits to the list as well if I was Prime minister.............
As long as it is within the laws ot our land.What a ****ing gobshite. Trying to tell everyone how to live yet having a problem when others ACCORDING to you are trying to tell you how to live. Throwing insults etc thinking it's fine because you thought it.
P.s this is my country I was born here
What a ****ing gobshite. Trying to tell everyone how to live yet having a problem when others ACCORDING to you are trying to tell you how to live. Throwing insults etc thinking it's fine because you thought it.
P.s this is my country I was born here
Would that include living within Sharia law or are you happy with UK legislation ?