Remembrance Sunday

[Mick]

By disrupting others paying respect they are disrespecting those young men who gave their lives to save Europe from fascism.

Well the point is to respect those young men who gave their lives in all conflicts, including very recent 'internal' ones. So if I was standing about giving a minutes silence to IRA war dead would you fall silent until I'd finished going about my respectful business? I mean, I grew up in the United Kingdom - and the vast majority of IRA men were born in the United Kingdom too - so we all have equal rights as equal citizens of the United Kingdom to go about respecting our dead, and expecting everyone else to fall in line, no?

Of course not, because the IRA were a small minority within the UK - and those who respect the British Army dead are a majority. So, what we're really saying is 'Might is Right', that the biggest and the strongest get to set the orthodoxy, and everyone else must fall in line.

 

[Null]

**** off

 

[stopmeandslapme]

Well the point is to respect those young men who gave their lives in all conflicts, including very recent 'internal' ones. So if I was standing about giving a minutes silence to IRA war dead would you fall silent until I'd finished going about my respectful business? I mean, I grew up in the United Kingdom - and the vast majority of IRA men were born in the United Kingdom too - so we all have equal rights as equal citizens of the United Kingdom to go about respecting our dead, and expecting everyone else to fall in line, no?

Of course not, because the IRA were a small minority within the UK - and those who respect the British Army dead are a majority. So, what we're really saying is 'Might is Right', that the biggest and the strongest get to set the orthodoxy, and everyone else must fall in line.

Yes.

 

[ERINBLACK]

Well the point is to respect those young men who gave their lives in all conflicts, including very recent 'internal' ones. So if I was standing about giving a minutes silence to IRA war dead would you fall silent until I'd finished going about my respectful business? I mean, I grew up in the United Kingdom - and the vast majority of IRA men were born in the United Kingdom too - so we all have equal rights as equal citizens of the United Kingdom to go about respecting our dead, and expecting everyone else to fall in line, no?

Of course not, because the IRA were a small minority within the UK - and those who respect the British Army dead are a majority. So, what we're really saying is 'Might is Right', that the biggest and the strongest get to set the orthodoxy, and everyone else must fall in line.

Mick would have been a collaborator in the World Wars.

Typical Nazi.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

If you are talking about the PIRA then no I wouldn't stand and show respect. Mainly because they were terrorists.

If you are talking about the IRA of lore who died as martyrs to the cause of Irish indendence and who's country do take time out to remember every year, then yes if I was in Ireland during the time they were rembering their fallen then I would stand and pay respect. Mainly because I wouldn't dream of disrespecting a foreign country's heritage and traditions.

 

[Mick]

If you are talking about the PIRA then no I wouldn't stand and show respect. Mainly because they were terrorists.

If you are talking about the IRA of lore who died as martyrs to the cause of Irish indendence and who's country do take time out to remember every year, then yes if I was in Ireland during the time they were rembering their fallen then I would stand and pay respect. Mainly because I wouldn't dream of disrespecting a foreign country's heritage and traditions.

It was UK citizens who were shot dead in Derry, innit - why aren't other UK citizens free to have an opinion on UK citizens being murdered in any part of the UK?

Anyway, if I was in a football stadium I would stand in silence for 60 seconds, mostly out of respect for the people beside me, but also because if I didn't there's a chance I could be arrested, publicly shamed, possibly convicted, and maybe lose my job. It's the latter part of this that I think isn't right.

 

[A.L.D.O 4.1]

It was UK citizens who were shot dead in Derry, innit - why aren't other UK citizens free to have an opinion on UK citizens being murdered in any part of the UK?

Anyway, if I was in a football stadium I would stand in silence for 60 seconds, mostly out of respect for the people beside me, but also because if I didn't there's a chance I could be arrested, publicly shamed, possibly convicted, and maybe lose my job. It's the latter part of this that I think isn't right.

UK citizens are (reasonably) free to have an opinion on anything they want. Never heard of anybody disrespecting any memorial for the victims of bloody Sunday.

Reading posts on social media there seems to be an idea that the people who are disrupting these remembrance day silences amongst the Celtic support are actually Irish nationals who have travelled over to watch their team. That being the case then they have no right what so ever to act the way they do.

If you travel to a foreign country then you respect that country. If you can't then don't travel.

 

[Mick O'Toon]

Before this gets out of hand we'll let Donny Osmond have the last word

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[Patience]

What's laughable is that football is now forced to join in the commemorations. It wasn't even that big a deal a decade ago, it's only gathered pace recently so spastics can foam at the mouth whenever someone jeers or doesn't wish to wear one. Startling that there are so many who mindlessly buy in to this **** (mainly huns and Nigels).

 

[alwaysright]

What's laughable is that football is now forced to join in the commemorations. It wasn't even that big a deal a decade ago, it's only gathered pace recently so spastics can foam at the mouth whenever someone jeers or doesn't wish to wear one. Startling that there are so many who mindlessly buy in to this **** (mainly huns and Nigels).

Jif ( I will run the risk of upsetting you - but you know me by now - I wear my poppy on my sleeve).

I do feel there is a need for respect to be paid to ALL ' victims ' of war. There is a time and place for these events - be it in church or at a memorial site. Long may this 'tradition' remain - and if you wish to attend - it is your choice - and I think you're being a little unkind to say that only the mindless buy into this ****. However -

I totally agree that football stadiums are not the venues for anything other than the match in question. Whilst I may personally feel sad that not everyone chooses to join in with 'Poppy Day', I do not believe that people should be forced to stand in silent hypocrisy. Especially when World War 3 usually breaks out for the next 90 minutes.

 

[Patience]

Jif ( I will run the risk of upsetting you - but you know me by now - I wear my poppy on my sleeve).

I do feel there is a need for respect to be paid to ALL ' victims ' of war. There is a time and place for these events - be it in church or at a memorial site. Long may this 'tradition' remain - and if you wish to attend - it is your choice - and I think you're being a little unkind to say that only the mindless buy into this ****. However -

I totally agree that football stadiums are not the venues for anything other than the match in question. Whilst I may personally feel sad that not everyone chooses to join in with 'Poppy Day', I do not believe that people should be forced to stand in silent hypocrisy. Especially when World War 3 usually breaks out for the next 90 minutes.

Exactly, and the time and place isn't at a football match, especially when there's a risk, however small, of groups of fans disrespecting the silence. Churches , cenotaphs etc all seem like reasonably suitable places for like-minded people to gather and pay their respects all day and night.

My reference about the mindless was in regards to football. Those that flap their gums about James McClean are usually ****y Nigels and/or hun bastards. And the only reason it's an issue is because, for some reason in the past decade, has it become fashionable to turn football in to a poppy rally.

Do they make the teams wear poppies in the Northern Irish Football League? Serious question.

 

[monacoger]

Jif ( I will run the risk of upsetting you - but you know me by now - I wear my poppy on my sleeve).

I do feel there is a need for respect to be paid to ALL ' victims ' of war. There is a time and place for these events - be it in church or at a memorial site. Long may this 'tradition' remain - and if you wish to attend - it is your choice - and I think you're being a little unkind to say that only the mindless buy into this ****. However -

I totally agree that football stadiums are not the venues for anything other than the match in question. Whilst I may personally feel sad that not everyone chooses to join in with 'Poppy Day', I do not believe that people should be forced to stand in silent hypocrisy. Especially when World War 3 usually breaks out for the next 90 minutes.

It is rather disrespectful of you to wear your poppy on your sleeve. Why don't you wear it on your chest like the rest of us and like it is meant to be worn?

 

[Archers Road]

What's laughable is that football is now forced to join in the commemorations. It wasn't even that big a deal a decade ago, it's only gathered pace recently so spastics can foam at the mouth whenever someone jeers or doesn't wish to wear one. Startling that there are so many who mindlessly buy in to this **** (mainly huns and Nigels).

Think you'll find this is almost exclusively an "old firm" issue. I have never felt any pressure to either wear or not wear a poppy. And I couldn't give a **** if Seamus wants to wear a lilly at Easter.

 

[EDGE.]

Obviously, because FC BHEAST fans continually and consistently make an absolute **** of themselves every year as a sizeable majority of their fans can't stay silent for 60 seconds, ergo, now the Not606 BHEASTS are wanting the Poppy banned now saying that the Nation paying their respects has been hijacked by "Britain Furst types and H*ns" showing what a disgusting Club FC BHEAST is.

100 years ago, young men of mainly working class backgrounds and 200,000 from Glasgow alone, went to fight in Europe because politicians were flexing their diddies and many of these guys never came home. Ever since, at Cenotaphs all over the UK, people have paid their respects. People who disrupt minutes silences are absolute knuckle-draggers. We all know that one club is more interested in disrespecting the dead whilst they promote terrorist scum who smeared **** on themselves and sucked each others cocks in jail whilst their politicians covered up systematic child abuse.

SCUM FROM CRADLE TO GRAVE!

 

[Patience]

Think you'll find this is almost exclusively an "old firm" issue. I have never felt any pressure to either wear or not wear a poppy. And I couldn't give a **** if Seamus wants to wear a lilly at Easter.

Most of the furore is over James McClean, an Irishman who plays in England. Nothing to do with the 'Old Firm'.

The point is, it has **** all to do with football, and the sport would be better off if it had **** all to do with it. Let those who wish to celebrate go to the cenotaphs, and let those who want to watch football go to the stadiums.

 

[EDGE.]

Think you'll find this is almost exclusively an "old firm" issue. I have never felt any pressure to either wear or not wear a poppy. And I couldn't give a **** if Seamus wants to wear a lilly at Easter.

On the contrary, it's nothing to do with Rangers and merely the fact that Celtic have some of the most vile fans in the UK.

I remember going to Ibrox to a Celtic game and a former Rangers captain who played for Rangers for nearly 20 years had dies the week previously and the SCUM fkin boo'd the minutes silence for him. These guys are insane, they spend inordinate amount of time reading about Rangers, talking about Rangers, phoning football phone-ins to talk about Rangers, it's fkin mental and these ****s are not a minority, even self styled "moderate" BHEASTS like Dev follow Rangers blogs.

 

[Patience]

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[EDGE.]

Most of the furore is over James McClean, an Irishman who plays in England. Nothing to do with the 'Old Firm'.

The point is, it has **** all to do with football, and the sport would be better off if it had **** all to do with it. Let those who wish to celebrate go to the cenotaphs, and let those who want to watch football go to the stadiums.

Aye because ONLY your Club's fans can't shut the fk up for 60 seconds, let's ban minutes silences all over the UK because Celtic fans continually embarrass themselves every fking year.

 

[Patience]

On the contrary, it's nothing to do with Rangers and merely the fact that Celtic have some of the most vile fans in the UK.

I remember going to Ibrox to a Celtic game and a former Rangers captain who played for Rangers for nearly 20 years had dies the week previously and the SCUM fkin boo'd the minutes silence for him. These guys are insane, they spend inordinate amount of time reading about Rangers, talking about Rangers, phoning football phone-ins to talk about Rangers, it's fkin mental and these ****s are not a minority, even self styled "moderate" BHEASTS like Dev follow Rangers blogs.

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[Patience]

Aye because ONLY your Club's fans can't shut the fk up for 60 seconds, let's ban minutes silences all over the UK because Celtic fans continually embarrass themselves every fking year.

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