How long do we give him ?
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The fecking old dinosaur was always going to be found out, it was just a matter of time. MM's appointment has just delayed in inevitability of relegation to the 3rd Division for them
I agree it was a mistake on the timing, but stay up with him! Have you been on the loopy juice? We were already looking thoroughly relegated before he was finally sacked, that was kind of why the board reluctantly did so!
I agree he has once again shown himself to be a good championship manager. Wrong place, wrong time for us or just not up to the premier league? Time will tell.
I'm sure there would be no justice in him coming up and us (unlikely I know) going down, poetic or otherwise. He had plenty of time to sort out his problems at CR, that he couldn't, indicated some shortcomings as a manager. He was in my book not slighted by the club. There are not many clubs who would have kept him as long as we did, and the final favour we did him was letting him escape having the relegation he had condemned us to on his CV. Was it poetic justice that Villa sacked Lambert after he left us? No, no more than any transient employee who encounters former employers and circumstances later in their career.
If he has success down the line be that promotion this year or a high finish in the Prem in the future, I would be indifferent, maybe a little disappointed. By the end of his reign at CR I couldn't stand the manager, even if as was constantly reputed, he is a very nice man. He's not Roeder, not everything he did was to the detriment of the club, but they were up there with Roeders for the most depressing days to watch NCFC in my time as a Canary. I turned down more than one opportunity to see the boys play and that was on him (And the players too).
Bah!
Sorry, my post was not very clear - I meant we stood a better chance staying up under Hughton in those last five games than we did under Adams.
Not good enough for the PL? He was sacked with Newcastle comfortably mid-table, and lead us to a mid-table finish. He is not a brilliant manager, but (and this is one thing the board did him a massive favour for) he is not actually tarnished with relegation because he left us three points clear of relegation.
At risk of continuing old debates that seem like they will never die but he has now had two managers jobs in the PL and been sacked from both after not entirely prolonged periods! Staying up once with us was a success, our progress over the course of his tenure however was not and I actually thought the spirited performances under Adams whilst ultimately unsuccessful were a whole heep better than I would have expected from the dead men walking under hootun!
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Re. Hughton, early days yet. He's doing well at Brighton, but every single one of their wins has been by a single goal. And he did well enough with us for the first half of the first season (the ten-match run). Let's see if the players are frightened of their own shadows by the time we get to 30 games.
different levels different issues
We are still causing a threat going forward in the PL but our defence can't cope in the CCC it was challenged far less
Under CH we defended well but could not win a damn thing and over two years he gradually removed the cavalier Lambo style, that is what did us
We are still causing a threat going forward in the PL but our defence can't cope in the CCC it was challenged far less
Under CH we defended well but could not win a damn thing and over two years he gradually removed the cavalier Lambo style, that is what did us
I know you're not a fan of Hughton but come on. Raising question marks over his good start at Brighton this season because his wins have only been by a single goal is pushing it a bit don't you think?
A win is a win and he's had a lot of them this season. Give credit where it is due.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the board state that his job was safe as long as you were not in the bottom three, but nevertheless sacked him before you were in the relegation zone? I'd hardly call that 'reluctantly', and being out of the bottom three with four matches left is hardly 'thoroughly relegated'.
If you read my post I said "looking thoroughly relegated" as in, he had lost the players and fans, the performances were so shocking that with the remaining games no one could see where even a solitary point would come from. Reluctantly because any sensible or even un-sensible chairman/board could see the terminal velocity had been hit in January or even before and the board really didn't want to sack him,, not when they did. As others have said fan pressure almost certainly played a part, as we all knew he was sleepwalking us to relegation, that's why I think it was reluctant, as you say we weren't in the bottom 3, it was just inevitable that we would be if anyone below us got any points.
I'd also contend stilljarold that under Hughton we really didn't defend that well. we on a number of occasions got thrashed, lost most games, and that was with the 11 man defence. A team that can't defend when sacrificing any attacking threat what so ever, doesn't defend well in my book. That's just numbers behind the ball, I could manage a team to just stick 11 men behind the ball and try not to lose. Anyone can, and that is why I don't think Hughton will likely cut it in the PL long term because I think he has no creativity of thinking to get any side scoring.
I also agree with Singapore, it is early days and they are bound to hit a sticky patch and I'm not sure if he has the minerals to turn one round very quickly or at all. 1 goal margins whilst wins also suggest that they have been efficient rather than particularly superior to their opponents(that's not to say it isn't a great achievement, all those wins and table topping are blooming good), so it being the championship a tough spell awaits and mid-table with McFarty's boys too!
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Okay well how about his 1st place finish with Newcastle and 4th place finish with Birmingham? I suppose that was just lucky as well?
It didn't turn out well for him at Norwich in the end, there's no argument there from me. But can we have at least some balance in your arguments and acknowledge that he has had some success in his career.
It didn't turn out well for him at Norwich in the end, there's no argument there from me. But can we have at least some balance in your arguments and acknowledge that he has had some success in his career.
To be honest, it was clear Hughton had to go at the end of the season one way or the other and I don't know any Norwich fan who disagreed with that. His time was up. We got relegated.
So quibbling over whether it was the right time or the wrong time for him to actually leave and whether we stood a better chance of avoiding relegation depending on what happened is really just that - quibbling. And I think we all know which of us think one way and which think the other and I think we all respect that the others won't change their minds
I also think we're all pleased we ended up in the Premier League with Alex Neil for all his learning left to do (correct me if I'm wrong!) and I for one am pleased Hughton is doing well at Brighton.
So quibbling over whether it was the right time or the wrong time for him to actually leave and whether we stood a better chance of avoiding relegation depending on what happened is really just that - quibbling. And I think we all know which of us think one way and which think the other and I think we all respect that the others won't change their minds
I also think we're all pleased we ended up in the Premier League with Alex Neil for all his learning left to do (correct me if I'm wrong!) and I for one am pleased Hughton is doing well at Brighton.
No not lucky, he is a good solid organizer of championship sides, the jury is still out on his PL management credentials is all I'm saying.
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To be honest, it was clear Hughton had to go at the end of the season one way or the other and I don't know any Norwich fan who disagreed with that. His time was up. We got relegated.
So quibbling over whether it was the right time or the wrong time for him to actually leave and whether we stood a better chance of avoiding relegation depending on what happened is really just that - quibbling. And I think we all know which of us think one way and which think the other and I think we all respect that the others won't change their minds
I also think we're all pleased we ended up in the Premier League with Alex Neil for all his learning left to do (correct me if I'm wrong!) and I for one am pleased Hughton is doing well at Brighton.
Very true, I wonder when/if we will ever get to a point where we stop squabbling over these little details. I think the only reason why I can be bothered at the moment is because the board is so quiet at the mo that when it's all cropped up again there has been nothing else to discuss.
AN has got a lot still to learn and learning I'm sure he is, I can't be pleased for Hughton though. I rated him before he came to us and had no objections to his successes or failures then, any more than any other manager of any another club. But after the antifootball and horrible slow death of his time with us, I don't hate him but I can't exactly get excited by him doing well. I wouldn't wish him well any more than; Lambert or the Roedent. Some people who leave have credit in the bank and I will always want them to do well (Unless to the detriment of City obviously), Gunn, Adams, Holt, Walker but Hughton for me didn't do nearly enough in a manner that didn't make me want to claw out my eyes rather than watch the team! So I would be more pleased if someone else did better who I hadn't witnessed cock up the NCFC team.
A little petty, Bah!
VERY true and seems as though AVB may be on hos way back to Chelsea!!!!
Read all about it - http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/29/chels...-as-jose-mourinho-replacement-report-5468848/
More excellent quotes from AN - “I am a big believer I would rather send a team out to go and win the game rather than try to sit back and not lose it. I don’t think that is going to do us any favours. Scoring goals and trying to win games at this level is what is going to keep us in a good position. Hoping they don’t do enough to break you down is not how I want my teams to play.”
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwic...s_attacking_beliefs_at_norwich_city_1_4290408
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwic...s_attacking_beliefs_at_norwich_city_1_4290408
When we were struggling under CH it all became negative
Under Lambo and Alex N we were/ are going for it . If we lose out would sooner do it trying to play and win rather than trying not to lose
Just hope the Canary call no brainers in the crowd don't get on ANs back
Things will be hard this term whatever people might say 17th has to be the realistic target
Only issue I have is if we do go down we won't be able have fun to beat 1p5squit next year as MM will have them in L1 with Colchester lol
Under Lambo and Alex N we were/ are going for it . If we lose out would sooner do it trying to play and win rather than trying not to lose
Just hope the Canary call no brainers in the crowd don't get on ANs back
Things will be hard this term whatever people might say 17th has to be the realistic target
Only issue I have is if we do go down we won't be able have fun to beat 1p5squit next year as MM will have them in L1 with Colchester lol