Airco Injunction

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It's not very clear. I have found the rules (not sure if they are the latest) but it only says categories 1 & 2 need to have an indoor all weather surface but nothing about it being exclusive. Categories 3 & 4 need to have access to an indoor all weather surface.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
Irrespective of the rules, my argument all along is that there are ways of doing things, and the way this was done simply isn't it. Winning or losing this case won't change that.
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Is it any different to the Hessle team getting booted off Sirius cos the council didnt offer funding anymore Dutch? Or is it cos its a great story for hdm and RH to exploit the evil big corporate greed of a rich man, which plays to the audience of Hull citizens.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Is it any different to the Hessle team getting booted off Sirius cos the council didnt offer funding anymore Dutch? Or is it cos its a great story for hdm and RH to exploit the evil big corporate greed of a rich man, which plays to the audience of Hull citizens.
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Shouldn't the Hessle team have been playing in Hessle?
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Is it any different to the Hessle team getting booted off Sirius cos the council didnt offer funding anymore Dutch? Or is it cos its a great story for hdm and RH to exploit the evil big corporate greed of a rich man, which plays to the audience of Hull citizens.
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I don't know all the details about Hessle, so I can't say if it's the same or not. What I can say is, if it is the same, then I condemn that too. It wouldn't make the actions at the airco any more acceptable.
 
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petersaxton said:
It's not very clear. I have found the rules (not sure if they are the latest) but it only says categories 1 & 2 need to have an indoor all weather surface but nothing about it being exclusive. Categories 3 & 4 need to have access to an indoor all weather surface.
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Premier League Handbook 2015-16, rule 314 page 387:

"One indoor Artificial Surface pitch measuring a minimum of 60 yards by 40 yards which shall be owned by the Club (or alternatively the Club must have a legally enforceable agreement with the owner of the facility for its use by the Club, expiring not earlier than the end of the current Season) and which shall be for the exclusive
use of the Academy at all times."

Note the exclusive use of the Academy at all times.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2015-16.pdf
 
Obadiah said:
Premier League Handbook 2015-16, rule 314 page 387:

"One indoor Artificial Surface pitch measuring a minimum of 60 yards by 40 yards which shall be owned by the Club (or alternatively the Club must have a legally enforceable agreement with the owner of the facility for its use by the Club, expiring not earlier than the end of the current Season) and which shall be for the exclusive
use of the Academy at all times."

Note the exclusive use of the Academy at all times.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2015-16.pdf
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Thats not what the QC for the SMC is saying Obi.
But Jonathan Gaunt QC, representing the SMC, said: "There is no express term in this lease specifying which sports should be accommodated in the hall.

"Any failure to not accommodate a particular sport is not a breach of the lease."

Mr Gaunt accused the council of "labouring under the misapprehension" that the 3G pitch was only for the exclusive use of Hull City's youth academy.

He acknowledged the football club's application to upgrade the academy's licence had been a factor in the decision to install the artificial pitch.

But he said anyone could still book the arena if they wished to play sport on an artificial surface rather than a hardwood floor.

He also maintained the SMC decision was taken in an attempt to make the venue more profitable.
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
Thats not what the QC for the SMC is saying Obi.
But Jonathan Gaunt QC, representing the SMC, said: "There is no express term in this lease specifying which sports should be accommodated in the hall.

"Any failure to not accommodate a particular sport is not a breach of the lease."

Mr Gaunt accused the council of "labouring under the misapprehension" that the 3G pitch was only for the exclusive use of Hull City's youth academy.

He acknowledged the football club's application to upgrade the academy's licence had been a factor in the decision to install the artificial pitch.

But he said anyone could still book the arena if they wished to play sport on an artificial surface rather than a hardwood floor.

He also maintained the SMC decision was taken in an attempt to make the venue more profitable.
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I know, but it is what the rules say. Unless the SMC's QC produced a waiver from the Premier League, Category 2 status means exclusive use at all times. Whether the council had the sense to produce the handbook in court is another matter.
 
Leicester indoor 3G pitch was built about 2 years ago purely from memory, it's rented out a lot.

I think exclusive use is a lot less than many on here have made it out to be.
 
Mr. Hat said:
Leicester indoor 3G pitch was built about 2 years ago purely from memory, it's rented out a lot.

I think exclusive use is a lot less than many on here have made it out to be.
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To come to that conclusion surely you'll need more evidence than your memory of Leicester so who else at Category 2 rents out their facilities
 
Obadiah said:
Premier League Handbook 2015-16, rule 314 page 387:

"One indoor Artificial Surface pitch measuring a minimum of 60 yards by 40 yards which shall be owned by the Club (or alternatively the Club must have a legally enforceable agreement with the owner of the facility for its use by the Club, expiring not earlier than the end of the current Season) and which shall be for the exclusive
use of the Academy at all times."

Note the exclusive use of the Academy at all times.

http://www.premierleague.com/conten...handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2015-16.pdf
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Well found!
So what is this about then? We can't let other people play on it.
 
Could 'exclusive' mean people can only use the facility when City don't want to? Maybe hiring it comes with a caveat that it could be cancelled if City decide they need it?
 
originallambrettaman said:
Leicester City certainly do hire out their indoor facility, it doesn't seem to be a rule that is enforced, if it's even applied at all...

http://www.leicesterymca.co.uk/sports.php
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It could mean that Leicester City have exclusive use of the facility but are allowed (presumably because they own it) to enter a partnership agreement with the charity to rent it out. The Council's argument could be that the SMC does not have the power to give Hull City exclusive use because of the terms of the lease.
 
Obadiah said:
It could mean that Leicester City have exclusive use of the facility but are allowed (presumably because they own it) to enter a partnership agreement with the charity to rent it out. The Council's argument could be that the SMC does not have the power to give Hull City exclusive use because of the terms of the lease.
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Either clubs have exclusive use, or they don't, it just seems to be a rule that isn't actually enforced.
 
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