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99 quid for 2 tickets to Thorpe park
must be a typo

and how many years have they spent waiting to re use the super callie go ballistic celtic are atrocious headline
 
Swarm - a large crowd or group of people...moving in a confused or disorderly way

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What's not to like?
 
Watford_R said:
Never. There will always be *****s and there will always be famous people ergo there will always be famous *****s.
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You are right. But as someone was saying on the TV tonight, back in the 70's and 80's, and probably the 90's, the rich, famous and powerful could often use their authority to stop a "scandal" getting out. Now with social media it is not so easy to cover up. Twitter, Faecebook, etc have some benefits.
 
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Swords Hoopster. said:
Famous is one thing but a former Prime Minister has taken it to a whole new level. Last week it was a Cabinet Minister and now a PM.

This situation is now very serious
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And profoundly depressing. I have no idea whether Heath is guilty of this (I met him once in strange circumstances. He was a decidedly odd character), but the way the Wiltshire police have handled it is a disgrace. If they held a press conference outside the house of a living suspect who has not even been charged, let alone sent to trial, they'd be sued to ****. A lot of this is about 'being seen to do something' in historical sex offence cases, because of the massive failures with Saville and Cyril Smith.
 
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durbar2003 said:
He's brown bread, forget about it and move on.
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You're missing the point!

It's still going on. This is going to rock the establishment to it's core. Many of the people directly and indirectly linked to these atrocities are still alive. Including the present incumbent.

Thatcher knew this was going on but did nothing. And so has any PM and a few royal's since. Think of Savile the jangly beast x10.

Then you'll be nearer to the truth.
 
Just heard the (ex) head of the Kids Company Ms Batmangelidjgh (or something) on the radio. Apart from pictures, my first experience of this lady. Until now I have forced myself not to pre judge her based on appearance. Now I'm really worried, she has been described as 'charismatic' and a favourite of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron. Her organisation took £40m of public grants, often against the advice of civil servants, because 3 successive Prime Ministers were in her thrall, overuling objections a process. Based on what I have just heard she is a shrill idiot, incapable of taking any responsibility for what sounds like a shockingly run organisation, whatever its objectives, shrieking on about having cups of tea with people.

Now, whatever your political persuasion, I don't think Blair, Brown or Cameron can be described as especially stupid people. But they are obviously gullible, which says a lot about the quality of our leadership.
 
sb_73 said:
Just heard the (ex) head of the Kids Company Ms Batmangelidjgh (or something) on the radio. Apart from pictures, my first experience of this lady. Until now I have forced myself not to pre judge her based on appearance. Now I'm really worried, she has been described as 'charismatic' and a favourite of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron. Her organisation took £40m of public grants, often against the advice of civil servants, because 3 successive Prime Ministers were in her thrall, overuling objections a process. Based on what I have just heard she is a shrill idiot, incapable of taking any responsibility for what sounds like a shockingly run organisation, whatever its objectives, shrieking on about having cups of tea with people.

Now, whatever your political persuasion, I don't think Blair, Brown or Cameron can be described as especially stupid people. But they are obviously gullible, which says a lot about the quality of our leadership.
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What?
 
sb_73 said:
Just heard the (ex) head of the Kids Company Ms Batmangelidjgh (or something) on the radio. Apart from pictures, my first experience of this lady. Until now I have forced myself not to pre judge her based on appearance. Now I'm really worried, she has been described as 'charismatic' and a favourite of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron. Her organisation took £40m of public grants, often against the advice of civil servants, because 3 successive Prime Ministers were in her thrall, overuling objections a process. Based on what I have just heard she is a shrill idiot, incapable of taking any responsibility for what sounds like a shockingly run organisation, whatever its objectives, shrieking on about having cups of tea with people.

Now, whatever your political persuasion, I don't think Blair, Brown or Cameron can be described as especially stupid people. But they are obviously gullible, which says a lot about the quality of our leadership.
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Nobody dared criticise her, for fear of being accused of being unsympathetic to disadvantaged children. I hope Ms Batmanghelidjh is truly well intentioned and merely financially incompetent, not a fraudulent mis-user of funds. The Govt will surely be sending accountants in there now
 
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Thought the economy was on the mend?....think again.

The price of hanging our own economic health on an out of control economic totalitarian behemoth will now be paid. The market collapse in China which sheep like the rest of the world is following (let's hope your stockbrokers told you what was happening ...sorry, they didn't?!) is just the sympton of a massive economic slowdown in a country which consumes 40-50% of all the world's raw materials. As China stops buying these, the companies which mine them stop investing as their profits collapse (already happening) and the investors in these companies (that's right, your pension fund!) start to panic, and stop investing else where. Any politician telling you they have a deliverable 'economic policy' is a liar.

Capitalism, the system that never learns. Doncha just love it! Ersatz Communists who think they can manage markets? Way to go, fools. A species which imagines amoral collective systems over which it has no control? We deserve everything we get.
 
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sb_73 said:
Thought the economy was on the mend?....think again.

The price of hanging our own economic health on an out of control economic totalitarian behemoth will now be paid. The market collapse in China which sheep like the rest of the world is following (let's hope your stockbrokers told you what was happening ...sorry, they didn't?!) is just the sympton of a massive economic slowdown in a country which consumes 40-50% of all the world's raw materials. As China stops buying these, the companies which mine them stop investing as their profits collapse (already happening) and the investors in these companies (that's right, your pension fund!) start to panic, and stop investing else where. Any politician telling you they have a deliverable 'economic policy' is a liar.

Capitalism, the system that never learns. Doncha just love it! Ersatz Communists who think they can manage markets? Way to go, fools. A species which imagines amoral collective systems over which it has no control? We deserve everything we get.
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What's the alternative?
 
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sb_73 said:
Thought the economy was on the mend?....think again.

The price of hanging our own economic health on an out of control economic totalitarian behemoth will now be paid. The market collapse in China which sheep like the rest of the world is following (let's hope your stockbrokers told you what was happening ...sorry, they didn't?!) is just the sympton of a massive economic slowdown in a country which consumes 40-50% of all the world's raw materials. As China stops buying these, the companies which mine them stop investing as their profits collapse (already happening) and the investors in these companies (that's right, your pension fund!) start to panic, and stop investing else where. Any politician telling you they have a deliverable 'economic policy' is a liar.

Capitalism, the system that never learns. Doncha just love it! Ersatz Communists who think they can manage markets? Way to go, fools. A species which imagines amoral collective systems over which it has no control? We deserve everything we get.
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I note that the guaranteed Government savings in one account is dropping for £85k to £75k. Is this related to China / the stock market or is it co-incidence? Any financial bods out there?
 
Watford_R said:
What's the alternative?
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Perhaps there isn't one, doesn't mean we should pretend this system is good. I am very aware that the 'traditional' alternative - socialism - requires a degree of not only tacit, but active, support from the population (probably over 95% need to be 'fans') that will never happen. But old fashioned Keynsian economics looks increasingly attractive. Unfortunately it won't work in one country, unless all the big nations adopt it, when there is just one world economy, and especially in the UK which as Osbourne disarmingly muttered at the weekend is the most 'open' (i.e. vulnerable to international economic factors - he mentioned China and eurozone) of the developed economies.

A lot of the losses incurred on the markets yesterday were generated by computer initiated trading, the humans looked on powerless - 'it was us against the machines' said one trader.

Long term (really long term, well beyond even your lifetime young fellow) technology may help us out. Shorter term extreme adversity may result in a (at least temporary) change in collective attitudes, like the Great Depression and WW2 did. In the meantime, if you believe the scaremongers we will be a country with 2 main population groups - senile, diabetic geriatrics and muslim fanatics, who will live in the climactic equivalent of a flooded oven. In that context it's not worth getting too wound up about.
 
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