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Nozzer said:
So he can then go to Liverpool and say "Look, I've found a buyer if you subsisidise some of the wages"?

Partly just playing devil's advocate; Liverpool may well be open to it. Or it could just be made up.
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Well anything in a rumours thread could be made up <laugh>
 
johnsonsbaby said:
The thing is I don't know why they're training on their own, I have no idea. You asked me to put forward a reason, so I put one forward. Do I believe that reason, no, it's simply another speculation. So to say have it your own way suggests I have a clue - I don't, when seemingly everyone else does <laugh>
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That's disingeneous, as no-one has stated that they know the reasons, but rather speculated on possibe reasons that appear the most likely from our viewpoint (my first reason was a joke that Rodgers is xenophobic).

In fact, this whole discussion started with you saying that the "isolation" (we don't even know if it is isolation; all we know is that they're training away from the main group) was definately wrong, even though we don't know the reasons for it.
 
johnsonsbaby said:
I'm actually not really bothered what anyone does in training, as long as they bring their best game on match day, sweat blood and give 100%, I really don't care who did what in training. I've said many times that Rodgers mystifying team selections are based on how they trained [his own admission]. I'd rather he chose the team based on the best set up for the game in hand. Punishing players by putting them on the bench when we need them on the pitch is poor management.

My only concern in this whole topic is freezing players out, it's wrong imo.
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But what they do in training may be an indication of whether they will sweat blood and give 100% on match day. And players should earn their position in the team, and not think they can do whatever and stil play. Obviously he should pick the best team for the particular game, but surely their mindset and mental state forms a part of that judgement?
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
before rodgers? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... something is tickling the back of my brain on this but not in a creepy rodgers way.

i think there might have been someone a long time back. i can't think....
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Torres just before he left <ok> (after he'd handed in his transfer request)
 
This is Anfield said:
Liverpool's long-term attempts to sign Real Madrid midfielder Asier Illarramendi are set to pay off with the news Los Blancos are happy to accept a £14.2 million bid from the Premier League club, according to reports in Spain.
Fichajes (h/t Jamie Sanderson of Metro) indicates Madrid are "happy to deal" at this price, having previously stalled on a £10.5 million offer from the Reds earlier this summer. Illarramendi is a quality passer of the ball, a strong tackler and someone who could sit at the foot of a possible midfield three, which may include James Milner and Jordan Henderson at Anfield next season.
However, Marca previously reported new Los Blancos boss Rafa Benitez "wants to get the most out of him." It is suggested Illarramendi has rejected the chance to join Liverpool and favours a fight for playing time at the Bernabeu instead
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=liverpool
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Maybe it's the translation but it sounds like: we offered £10m, they said no. Now they're announcing they would happily accept £14m from us, but have we actually made this bid or is it just something they would like to happen?
 
astroturfnaut said:
Maybe it's the translation but it sounds like: we offered £10m, they said no. Now they're announcing they would happily accept £14m from us, but have we actually made this bid or is it just something they would like to happen?
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I think there's a lot of differing stories.

One was rafa had him back in the fold.

Another is this fee.

I think we have been told no more traffic in by lfc so unless the sales go amazing I can't see this happening.
 
Dirtyfrank said:
JB, I'm just playing devils advocate.

I was going to also suggest, rather than it being BR's ego it's his inexperience showing. The way he's handled ego's might suggest he's not been used to it until he came to us.

Also he's human. Look at Fergie when he had issues with players cold damn cold at times. I mean it must be hard to put a lot of effort into three players that dont want to play ball for their various reasons.

He didn't want Balo to begin with so isn't going to break his back to try and win him over. He gave Borini a chance by buying him, when it didn't work and he saw him refuse an offer to go to a club that wanted him that had used him successfully on loan but he preferred to stay at a club that had no intention of playing him why put more effort in?. And Enrique hasn't been fit for more than a handful of games since Rodgers came. Gone on holiday a lot though.

It might not be right and it might be cold but they aren't children. Why should he waste any valuable minute of his training time on three players he has no intention of selecting at a time when he has seven new signings, a new captain, a new coaching team and his job on the line. His job is to create a winning team and that's it. He gets sacked if he doesn't and not one of those players would run to management and say Brendan had bad luck as a player back when he was young so give him a break now as a manager.

As he's been shown with Suarez and Sterling. Same said players would knife him in the back just as quickly, while still in contract if they thought it would benefit them.

It's a nasty business at times.
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You're right it is inexperience and ego and he's human, it's a steep learning curve coming to a big club so he's not going to get it right straight away or even 3 years on!

You ask why he should waste his time in training these three players - and the assumptions as to what makes these three difficult, could all be spot on, but 1] we don't know if those particular assumptions are correct and 2] even if they are, these players are still our players and should be treated with the respect and commitment that deserves, whether or not they return that respect and commitment doesn't mean the club should treat them differently [ bearing in mind we have no idea that these three are being isolated for being lazy, poor attitude or whatever].
 
Nozzer said:
That's disingeneous, as no-one has stated that they know the reasons, but rather speculated on possibe reasons that appear the most likely from our viewpoint (my first reason was a joke that Rodgers is xenophobic).

In fact, this whole discussion started with you saying that the "isolation" (we don't even know if it is isolation; all we know is that they're training away from the main group) was definately wrong, even though we don't know the reasons for it.
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I put the laughing smiley after that statement to lighten up the comment because without the smiley it looks like I mean what that sentence says. But be honest, everyone who's commented on it has said it's to do with being disruptive. Training away from the group is isolation and it doesn't matter what the reason for it is. If any of them had done something really bad then they should be told to stay away until a decision is taken to integrate them back into team training.
 
Not altogether disagreeing with your moral standpoint JB, I'd not have the coldness to do it myself.

I just think he's been burnt twice by players he's gone the extra mile for and got flack in some quarters for not being strong enough to force them down. Maybe he's saying I have to swallow it from quality players but I'll be damned if I'm looking a fool over 3 rejects.

All speculation.

And as I said, it's an ugly business and I think the club gave up having a moral standing when it decided it still wanted to succeed in the cesspit that is today's top tier game. I genuinely albeit with sadness don't think we'll come out on top otherwise. Justified? I'm assuming the fact none of us will stop supporting and will enjoy any future success suggests it is.

There are no innocents in any of it these days...
 
johnsonsbaby said:
I put the laughing smiley after that statement to lighten up the comment because without the smiley it looks like I mean what that sentence says. But be honest, everyone who's commented on it has said it's to do with being disruptive. Training away from the group is isolation and it doesn't matter what the reason for it is. If any of them had done something really bad then they should be told to stay away until a decision is taken to integrate them back into team training.
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Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one jb <ok>
 
InBiscanWeTrust said:
Lambert a scored twice on debut for WBA <whistle>
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That was quick, didn't even realise the move was final <yikes>

Rickie Lambert: West Brom sign striker from Liverpool

Rickie Lambert joined West Brom on Friday and then scored twice on his friendly debut three hours later.

The striker, 33, who signed from Liverpool for an undisclosed fee on a two-year deal, marked his move with efforts against ex-club Bristol Rovers.

"Rickie is a good, strong, solid player who is a great character, good in the dressing room and good on the pitch," said West Brom head coach Tony Pulis.

"We are very pleased to have him on board."

Lambert's contrast in fortunes
2013-14: Lambert reached double figures for goals and assists - no player achiveved that the next season
2014-15: There were 119 players who scored more goals than Lambert in the Premier League

Lambert becomes the club's third summer signing, following the acquisitions of James Chester and James McClean.

West Brom are the eighth club the Kirkby-born forward has played for, having started his career at Blackpool.

He came to prominence at Southampton where he scored 117 times in 235 appearances, after signing from Bristol Rovers in 2009.

Lambert then realised a lifetime dream last summer by joining the club he supported, Liverpool, in a £4m deal. However, he failed to rediscover his Saints scoring form at Anfield, managing only two league goals in 25 games for the Reds last season.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33736874
 
Nozzer said:
That was quick, didn't even realise the move was final <yikes>

Rickie Lambert: West Brom sign striker from Liverpool

Rickie Lambert joined West Brom on Friday and then scored twice on his friendly debut three hours later.

The striker, 33, who signed from Liverpool for an undisclosed fee on a two-year deal, marked his move with efforts against ex-club Bristol Rovers.

"Rickie is a good, strong, solid player who is a great character, good in the dressing room and good on the pitch," said West Brom head coach Tony Pulis.

"We are very pleased to have him on board."

Lambert's contrast in fortunes
2013-14: Lambert reached double figures for goals and assists - no player achiveved that the next season
2014-15: There were 119 players who scored more goals than Lambert in the Premier League

Lambert becomes the club's third summer signing, following the acquisitions of James Chester and James McClean.

West Brom are the eighth club the Kirkby-born forward has played for, having started his career at Blackpool.

He came to prominence at Southampton where he scored 117 times in 235 appearances, after signing from Bristol Rovers in 2009.

Lambert then realised a lifetime dream last summer by joining the club he supported, Liverpool, in a £4m deal. However, he failed to rediscover his Saints scoring form at Anfield, managing only two league goals in 25 games for the Reds last season.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/33736874
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In between all the bickering going on I confirmed it about an hour or so ago <whistle>
 
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Dirtyfrank said:
Not altogether disagreeing with your moral standpoint JB, I'd not have the coldness to do it myself.

I just think he's been burnt twice by players he's gone the extra mile for and got flack in some quarters for not being strong enough to force them down. Maybe he's saying I have to swallow it from quality players but I'll be damned if I'm looking a fool over 3 rejects.

All speculation.

And as I said, it's an ugly business and I think the club gave up having a moral standing when it decided it still wanted to succeed in the cesspit that is today's top tier game. I genuinely albeit with sadness don't think we'll come out on top otherwise. Justified? I'm assuming the fact none of us will stop supporting and will enjoy any future success suggests it is.

There are no innocents in any of it these days...
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It's just my view on it, others have different views, that's why we go on these forums isn't it. Makes it more interesting, be boring if we all agreed all the time. I respect everyone's point of view who's spoken on it so far. After all, we're mature enough to have a discussion without falling out over it. <ok>
 
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