Off Topic The Cecil should not have done one thread

[Baldrick's Cunning Plan]

It takes a special sort of person that admits to 43 registered kills. I think they're called xxxxs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-killed-Cecil-Lion-bow-arrow-Zimbabwe.html

 

[ellewoods]

I bow hunted for years as a kid and all I can say is that if you can't hit your ****ing target then you shouldn't be using a bow. It's disgusting that the animal suffered for 40 hours. It's not hard to hit your target it's called practice.

 

[Steven Toast]

I hate that an animal was killed in such a manner, but equally I hate all these animal rights meffs that have suddenly appeared out of nowhere dealing out death threats like they're some sort of ****ing killer. "If I ever see you I'll skin you alive, see how you like it". Shut the **** up, you're a 23 year old bearded nobody who runs a smoothie bar in downtown Chicago. Get to ****, you'll eat a chicken nugget from a chicken cramped in a cage but as soon as there's some mainstream, celebrity outcry everybody thinks they're part of ****ing PETA.

 

[Spook]

I hate that an animal was killed in such a manner, but equally I hate all these animal rights meffs that have suddenly appeared out of nowhere dealing out death threats like they're some sort of ****ing killer. "If I ever see you I'll skin you alive, see how you like it". Shut the **** up, you're a 23 year old bearded nobody who runs a smoothie bar in downtown Chicago. Get to ****, you'll eat a chicken nugget from a chicken cramped in a cage but as soon as there's some mainstream, celebrity outcry everybody thinks they're part of ****ing PETA.

I don't have an issue with hunting so long as it's for food; in fact, I think it's a good thing because the animal is free range and you can personally ensure the least amount of pain is dealt compared with factory farming. Hunting for sport is decadent and cruel but I agree with your general sentiment. Ricky Gervais has been an animal-rights activist for a long time so fair play to him but **** after **** on Twitter and Facebook making empty death threats and begging for likes is pathetic. It's a bandwagon that any twat will jump on.

By the way, as you're from the Faroe Islands, do they actually eat the whale meat or is it for sport/tradition? I've heard that because of poor agriculture they put the meat to good use but I wasn't sure.

 

[Steven Toast]

I don't have an issue with hunting so long as it's for food; in fact, I think it's a good thing because the animal is free range and you can personally ensure the least amount of pain is dealt compared with factory farming. Hunting for sport is decadent and cruel but I agree with your general sentiment. Ricky Gervais has been an animal-rights activist for a long time so fair play to him but **** after **** on Twitter and Facebook making empty death threats and begging for likes is pathetic. It's a bandwagon that any twat will jump on.

By the way, as you're from the Faroe Islands, do they actually eat the whale meat or is it for sport/tradition? I've heard that because of poor agriculture they put the meat to good use but I wasn't sure.

There are roughly 100,000 Pilot Whales living in the sea around the islands, the Faroese people catch maybe 800 of these a year. They're very careful in ensuring the population stays at a constant level (relatively speaking) and the meat and oil is shared out only to those who participated in the hunt (except on the islands of Sandoy and Suðuroy only the residents get what's caught. It is essentially fishing, because there are just under 1,000,000 Pilot Whales in the Atlantic Ocean at any given time, it's incredibly strictly regulated. It's because they're called Whales that people kick off, if they were called Pilot Carp nobody would give two ****s.

They've been hunting them since the 13th Century so it is a big tradition, but it makes up almost 25% (so I've been told) of their produce and the meat lasts them for months. With the islands being quite remote, it provides food, warmth and other materials that they might otherwise not have ready access to. I think it's great and I've seen (but not been on) a couple, it's like a festival.

I can see why activists get pissed off about it, but it's strictly regulated and there are a lot of laws surrounding it to make sure the whale popultion stays at a healthy level and that it is (to their best) at least a little humane.

 

[Spook]

There are roughly 100,000 Pilot Whales living in the sea around the islands, the Faroese people catch maybe 800 of these a year. They're very careful in ensuring the population stays at a constant level (relatively speaking) and the meat and oil is shared out only to those who participated in the hunt (except on the islands of Sandoy and Suðuroy only the residents get what's caught. It is essentially fishing, because there are just under 1,000,000 Pilot Whales in the Atlantic Ocean at any given time, it's incredibly strictly regulated. It's because they're called Whales that people kick off, if they were called Pilot Carp nobody would give two ****s.

They've been hunting them since the 13th Century so it is a big tradition, but it makes up almost 25% (so I've been told) of their produce and the meat lasts them for months. With the islands being quite remote, it provides food, warmth and other materials that they might otherwise not have ready access to. I think it's great and I've seen (but not been on) a couple, it's like a festival.

I can see why activists get pissed off about it, but it's strictly regulated and there are a lot of laws surrounding it to make sure the whale popultion stays at a healthy level and that it is (to their best) at least a little humane.

Yeah, I guess people see the bloody water and instantly go into activist mode. It looks gory but unless everyone of these people on Twitter and Facebook are die-hard vegetarians or vegans, they haven't got a leg to stand on. Halal, kosher and factory farming are probably worse than the Faroese tradition.

What I find truly bizarre is that people blame the Danes as if the Faroese aren't an autonomous people with their own customs and traditions.

 

[DMD]

I'm okay with killing things for food, and can see the skill in tracking, but I don't understand killing for pleasure.

I struggle with some of the terms too. I think it's good that my tea has lived and died with the minimum of suffering, but I don't follow the logic of an animal described as being killed 'humanely' when we can't even kill rapists using similar techniques.

 

[Spook]

I'm okay with killing things for food, and can see the skill in tracking, but I don't understand killing for pleasure.

I struggle with some of the terms too. I think it's good that my tea has lived and died with the minimum of suffering, but I don't follow the logic of an animal described as being killed 'humanely' when we can't even kill rapists using similar techniques.

Killing an animal will induce at least some pain. Do people think predators in the wild kill their prey in the most painless way? A lion will hunt a Wildebeest and won't give a flying **** about how much pain it suffered because it's part of nature. People who go out of their way to hurt animals with no utilitarian purpose other than pleasure are ****s. We still consume billions of animals per year though and there isn't a mainstream outrage over that.

 

[Steven Toast]

Yeah, I guess people see the bloody water and instantly go into activist mode. It looks gory but unless everyone of these people on Twitter and Facebook are die-hard vegetarians or vegans, they haven't got a leg to stand on. Halal, kosher and factory farming are probably worse than the Faroese tradition.

I don't think there's too much wrong with Halal, I worked in a slaughterhouse when I was 15 (a regular one) and it was pretty brutal, but I wouldn't say the animals were suffering, they were just dying.

There's a lot of misconceptions spun about Halal meat, it's actually quite humane (depending on the spectrum of your humanity) as the animals throat is cut. This causes the blood to gush (almost fall out) out as opposed to slowly bleeding out (as you would if you tried slitting your wrists) as you've severed several major blood vessels. The brain is deprived of oxygen very quickly and the animals nervous system almost instantaneously shuts down, so it feels very little pain. In fact, it is becoming common practice to stun the animal as soon as the throat is slit, nullifying any potential pain (I guess in case anything goes wrong).

Factory farming is bollocks anyway, free range stuff tastes miles better.

 

[Spook]

I don't think there's too much wrong with Halal, I worked in a slaughterhouse when I was 15 (a regular one) and it was pretty brutal, but I wouldn't say the animals were suffering, they were just dying.

There's a lot of misconceptions spun about Halal meat, it's actually quite humane (depending on the spectrum of your humanity) as the animals throat is cut. This causes the blood to gush (almost fall out) out as opposed to slowly bleeding out (as you would if you tried slitting your wrists) as you've severed several major blood vessels. The brain is deprived of oxygen very quickly and the animals nervous system almost instantaneously shuts down, so it feels very little pain. In fact, it is becoming common practice to stun the animal as soon as the throat is slit, nullifying any potential pain (I guess in case anything goes wrong).

Factory farming is bollocks anyway, free range stuff tastes miles better.

Yeah, but with halal and kosher there is the risk it will bleed to death slowly rather than gush out quickly if done carelessly. Also, many jurists believe using stunning to be haram and therefore 'proper' halal requires the animal to be alive and conscious. If stunning is used, that's fine by me. I'm trying to cut down on meat and sticking to free range stuff now for health, economic and environmental reasons.

 

[ellewoods]

I'm okay with killing things for food, and can see the skill in tracking, but I don't understand killing for pleasure.

I struggle with some of the terms too. I think it's good that my tea has lived and died with the minimum of suffering, but I don't follow the logic of an animal described as being killed 'humanely' when we can't even kill rapists using similar techniques.

They really should come up with something like they do in sports fishing where they measure the fish then release it and give you a fiberglass trophy. I don't know, shoot it with a tranquilizer or something and take some photos with it, maybe put a tracking collar on it, make it a conservation thing.

 

[Spook]

Speaking of which...

http://www.unilad.co.uk/articles/de...aughter-of-animals-for-kosher-and-halal-meat/

 

[The Omega Man]

Very interesting debate on radio 4 news tonight Peter Carr (from York) made some valid points about how the game hunting industry protects wild life and although hunting takes animals out it also has to conserve the stock of animals to be sustainable. Game hunting has to be regulated to survive, game reservations lead to unregulated poaching. It is an interesting view and to some extent I think he is right as it seems to work in places like Scotland. Would there be as many grouse if rich ****ers didn't pay to shot them? You can bet that if there is lots of money available through hunting, the poachers will find it harder to randomly take out whatever they want. He also was not very happy about the way the Cecil was hunted.
Round where I live, stalking deer is common. Personally, I don't bother, not because I don't agree with it, but because even with ear defenders it makes my tinnitus worse (rifle fire caused it in the first place). The fact is that the deer are just big tasty vermin and they need to be culled. Without a natural predator, they just become a pest.
So whilst I do not hunt myself, I am happy to eat the products of it. I have friends who are gamekeepers and they do as much conservation work as hunting.
I disagree with whale hunting, simply because I do not see the need except where it is a real food. I am happy to eat fish and shellfish, but I now have a slightly different view. I scuba dive and to be honest, finning along in shoals of fish is brilliant. I have dived in the Med and it is obvious that it is over fished, compared to the Atlantic the numbers of fish are really low. I suppose that it is all about getting the balance right and in the case of Cecil, it looks completely wrong.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Pigeons, rats etc. ****ing kill them.

I love killing pigeons because I ****ing hate them. Got one in the car the other day @ 50mph cracked straight off the windscreen in a cloud of feathers. Made my day it did.

 

[Mr Hatem]

Pigeons, rats etc. ****ing kill them.

I love killing pigeons because I ****ing hate them. Got one in the car the other day @ 50mph cracked straight off the windscreen in a cloud of feathers. Made my day it did.

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[Isa Kite]

[QUOTE="The Omega Man, post: 8184093, member: 1005853 Would there be as many grouse if rich ****ers didn't pay to shot them?.[/QUOTE]

Except that a lot of the grouse don't come arise from conservation in support of hunting - they are farmed in order for there to be enough to shoot. There's a big farm between Catwick and Long Riston which raises thousands every year.

 

[originallambrettaman]

We're probably doing grouse and pheasants a favour by shooting them, in my experience most of them are suicidal anyway.

I suspect Walter the dentist won't be able to afford to go big game hunting any more, so that's one less dipshit to worry about.

 

[The Omega Man]

[QUOTE="The Omega Man, post: 8184093, member: 1005853 Would there be as many grouse if rich ****ers didn't pay to shot them?.

Except that a lot of the grouse don't come arise from conservation in support of hunting - they are farmed in order for there to be enough to shoot. There's a big farm between Catwick and Long Riston which raises thousands every year.[/QUOTE]

I understand that, but the fact remains that the population of wild Red and Black Grouse far exceeds what it would be if they were not shot as a sport. In fact the restrictive access and managed use of the land increases the population of other species and that would happen in countries like Kenya as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...e-for-the-shoot-saves-many-other-species.html

 

[Fez]

Ability, weapon, ammo quality, terrain, weather, peripheral warnings and target predictability all combine to ensure there is no such thing as a 100% sure shot with rifle or bow. If you wing a fast moving animal on terrain that they know and can move quicker than you on them all the practice in the world is irrelevant - which is why I think sport hunting is abhorrent.

 

[Fez]

Except that a lot of the grouse don't come arise from conservation in support of hunting - they are farmed in order for there to be enough to shoot. There's a big farm between Catwick and Long Riston which raises thousands every year.

I understand that, but the fact remains that the population of wild Red and Black Grouse far exceeds what it would be if they were not shot as a sport. In fact the restrictive access and managed use of the land increases the population of other species and that would happen in countries like Kenya as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...e-for-the-shoot-saves-many-other-species.html[/QUOTE]

I've always thought that to be a weak argument; does it apply to Kentucky chickens and Norfolk turkeys in equal measure?