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World Cup semi final, his country's potential final appearance in his hands - literally.

Compared to some virtually meaningless PL game and a last minute save.

You're a compete ****tard if you actually believe the latter carries more pressure. Just stop yourself from typing such absolute bitter drivel ffs

They didn't sign Argentina, just their backup keeper.

Only the pressure on the keeper is relevant.

Which is almost zero in a shootout.

Romero had 5 chances. (And his teammates had another 5 chances).

Mignolet had 1 chance.

No one plays a game of football thinking it's only one game. Professionals think right now this is the only game.
 
Many reasons DF. As Tobes said it's partly the people who go but it's also the gulf between us and the players now. Even the local players go and hide up in Formby behind electronic gates never to be seen other than at club functions or charity golf days. Add to that the transient nature of players, the team is totally different every year whereas when I started going you could name next seasons starting XI nevermind next weeks <laugh> You felt like you knew the players, their strengths, weaknesses and characters too. The biggest difference for me though is the effect sitting at the game has on you....it simply isn't conducive to making lots of noise. If you had the same 45000 and half of them were standing there would be a hell of a lot more noise than with the same people all sitting down.

The original point (made by JB and Saint) is still valid though. You can see players who make the effort more when you are at the ground and yes it does give a certain affinity to those you know give their all game after game after game, Skrtel is without doubt in that mould of player. He's battled on surrounded by ****e for the past few years, Johnson/Lovren/Toure/Sakho flapping around next to him (and Ming flapping behind him) plus no protection from the midfield whatsoever. Remember back to us having an in form Johnson and Dagger though and Skrtel rarely put a foot wrong. He ain't a world beater but he IS the best we have right now (by quite a margin).

I have to add that in fairness to all our defenders they have a lot to deal with in a Rodgers team. Our defence is attacked far too often because of the terribly porous midfield and the full backs bombing forward. All of our centre backs (and the keeper) are given far too much to do game after game. It amplifies their weaknesses ten fold when compared to how they would play in a Rafa or Kenny style set up (or dare I say a Jose style set up).

There was an Asian guy trying to take a selfie with a massive selfie stick one of the last times I was there. He did get a shed load of abuse and got told off by the steward but he was just a typical Thomas Cook Liverpool fan with his 2 bags full of merchandise from the club shop and his new Liverpool kit and hat. He knew none of the songs, none of the traditions and just generally one of those obtuse people who sits for 90 minutes sticking a camera in people's face any time a chant gets going. People like that might add to the club's coffers but they really don't help the atmosphere because they don't sing themselves and they discourage other people around them from singing because of the constant surveillance on them.

Basically a lot of the current woes can be traced back to the club selling/giving tickets to people like Thomas Cook who sell these crazily priced packages to tourists who know nothing about the club, only what they've seen on TV.
 
I have to say, though, that when I did go regularly, I never encountered anything like the same amount of aggressive hostility towards our own players that I've seen since I started using an online forum.

Probably because you'd look really stupid shouting "What the **** Rodgers, we concede an average of 2.25 goals per game with Skrtel in the league and 1.54 without him, that means we improve our performance 0.71 goals per game without Skrtel, why the **** are we playing him?"
 
Probably because you'd look really stupid shouting "What the **** Rodgers, we concede an average of 2.25 goals per game with Skrtel in the league and 1.54 without him, that means we improve our performance 0.71 goals per game without Skrtel, why the **** are we playing him?"


Catchy. Can see it being sung on the kop <ok>
 
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Is this at the game talk or down the pub talk?

At the game it's us against them.

Down the pub it's more "analytical" if you could call it that.
 
Probably because you'd look really stupid shouting "What the **** Rodgers, we concede an average of 2.25 goals per game with Skrtel in the league and 1.54 without him, that means we improve our performance 0.71 goals per game without Skrtel, why the **** are we playing him?"

Good lyrics <ok> What's the tune like though?
 
YMCA <ok>

What the,
**** Rodgers we concede
an av-erage of
2point 25 goals per game
with Skrtel
in the league and
1 - point - 5 - 4 with - out - him
dum dum dum dum dum
that means we improve
OUR PERFORMANCE
0.71 goaaaaals per gameeeeee
without Skrtel
why the **** are we play
ing himmmmmmmmm
 
YMCA <ok>

What the,
**** Rodgers we concede
an av-erage of
2point 25 goals per game
with Skrtel
in the league and
1 - point - 5 - 4 with - out - him
dum dum dum dum dum
that means we improve
OUR PERFORMANCE
0.71 goaaaaals per gameeeeee
without Skrtel
why the **** are we play
ing himmmmmmmmm

Just listened to YMCA and can confirm this is the tune that will be used. Good work, IBWT <ok>
 
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I don't get to go to the Stadium due to it being impossible to get a ticket and it's a long way away. So I only get to see us on TV, when watching on TV I actually think Sakho is our best centre back. I also think Skrtel is a good defender, the problem for us is that Skrtel is a drop deep defender (Mouriniho style) Whereas Sakho is a front foot defender and likes to come out and attack the ball (AVB style, PEP style). Both are great but different. Lovren is ****e at both.

The problem is neither AVB nor Pep style defenders will win a massive amount in England (unless they adapt). Jose style on the other hand......well we all know how that ends up don't we and that's the whole point for me. Defending is a simple thing, there's nothing complicated about setting up a decent back four for English football...unless you're trying to reinvent the wheel Rodgers style.

Just for the record the Sakho vs Skrtel stats:

Key passes per game...Sakho 0.3, Skrtel 0.2 (both piss poor but then they are centre backs)

Pass complete %....Sakho 89.4, Skrtel 90.1 (nothing in it really)

Long balls...Sakho 2.8 per game, Skrtel 2 (so neither play too many)

Sakho makes more tackles (by a small margin),

Skrtel makes more interceptions (by a tiny margin),

Skrtel more blocks (by a large margin)

Skrtel more clearances (by a massive margin).

Skrtel also wins the most headers by a fair margin :) He also played 1500 more minutes this season <ok>

Add to all that the extra "giving a ****" factor and that's why I don't get the Skrtel bashing from some on here that's all :grin:
 
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Is this at the game talk or down the pub talk?

At the game it's us against them.

Down the pub it's more "analytical" if you could call it that.

I get your point about pub discussions but I don't think people really bring passing percentages & stats of that kind into a pub discussion. You'd probably get a lot of awkward stares.

You judge players on what you've seen of them only, you might mention how many goals they've scored but other stats don't really come into it.
 
The problem is neither AVB nor Pep style defenders will win a massive amount in England (unless they adapt). Jose style on the other hand......well we all know how that ends up don't we and that's the whole point for me. Defending is a simple thing, there's nothing complicated about setting up a decent back four for English football...unless you're trying to reinvent the wheel Rodgers style.

Just for the record the Sakho vs Skrtel stats:

Key passes per game...Sakho 0.3, Skrtel 0.2 (both piss poor but then they are centre backs)

Pass complete %....Sakho 89.4, Skrtel 90.1 (nothing in it really)

Long balls...Sakho 2.8 per game, Skrtel 2 (so neither play too many)

Sakho makes more tackles (by a small margin),

Skrtel makes more interceptions (by a tiny margin),

Skrtel more blocks (by a large margin)

Skrtel more clearances (by a massive margin).

Skrtel also wins the most headers by a fair margin :) He also played 1500 more minutes this season <ok>

Add to all that the extra "giving a ****" factor and that's why I don't get the Skrtel bashing from some on here that's all :grin:

Who backs off and off and off and off until they get to their 18 yard box before stopping, but by that point it's too late and the forward has acres of space to either have a free shot from 20 yards or play a key pass though <whistle>
 
Was massively the scapegoat - Rodgers once blamed him when he wasn't even playing!

Workrate is a myth - unless you're running around for 90 mins like a headless chicken, you're deemed lazy.

Yet, fans want to convince themselves that Sturridge and Benteke are hard workers when they're actually not - but they score goals so we can let them off.

Rodgers didn't have a clue on how to manage Mario or get the best out of him - Mario has been 1 in 2/2.5 striker over his career but completely failed at LFC. Fans want to blame this all on Mario but Rodgers completely shafted the team last season.
You really need to learn to read / listen to others <doh>
 
I think it's embarrassing by the club to leave him out of the pic.

Fans expect players to run through walls etc etc blah blah but the lad has been criticised by his own fans, manager and even teammates for everything he does.

Who in their right mind would want to play for a bunch of ar*eholes at this club?

What's truly embarrassing is calling Can, Coutinho and Benteke world class talents! They obviously thought it was an embarrassment too far to include Balotelli in that claim.
 
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<laugh> Haven't heard it for a long time so couldn't remember how the start of the song went. Its not a weekly thing in other parts of the country you know [HASHTAG]#Brighton[/HASHTAG] <whistle>

Everyone in the world knows ymca... I'm shocked.
 
Who backs off and off and off and off until they get to their 18 yard box before stopping, but by that point it's too late and the forward has acres of space to either have a free shot from 20 yards or play a key pass though <whistle>

If you start in a proper position you don't need to back off at all <whistle> you know....like a proper defensive position that works as well now in England as it's done for the past few decades :grin:

[HASHTAG]#joseknowsit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#wengerforgotit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#baconfaceknewit[/HASHTAG]

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If you start in a proper position you don't need to back off at all <whistle> you know....like a proper defensive position that works as well now in England as it's done for the past few decades :grin:

[HASHTAG]#joseknowsit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#wengerforgotit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#baconfaceknewit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#rafaknewit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#kennyknewit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#Paisleyknewit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#Shanksknewit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#eventonyfuckingpullisknowsit[/HASHTAG]

[HASHTAG]#etcetc[/HASHTAG]


Totally agree... start in a position and don't need to back off as you can win the ball. But Skrtel doesn't like it, he wants to drop deep and defend his 18 yard box which as we've had no proper DM in place allows players to just run at him.

Because of that and the fact he's not the best 1v1 defender I think he feels more comfortable just backing off so he can't be beaten. Occassionaly fine as allows others to come back and cover, but often it leaves big space for forwards to progress into and gives them a free shot.

Skrtel no doubt has a place in the squad and is better than Lovren/Toure/Ilori (although I'd love to see Ilori given a proper go) and he does have strengths. I've said many times as the spare man in a back 3 he's all you could ask for. Someone that will attack the ball in the air and is comfortable in coming out and covering, knows his limitations on the ball so having 2 CB's either side and a CM infront means he will always have an easy pass on as well so won't ut team under pressure with a bad pass forward.