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Nozzer said:
Except they're not determining a fair price, they're determining compensation.

It would be interesting to see what would happen if the tribunal were to name the Spurs "bid" (presumably it was an offer for compensation, as a transfer bid would make no sense) in their reasons for setting a compensation amount high enough that Liverpool pull out. Assume that then 1) Ings does not want to join Spurs, and instead joins, say, Swansea. Is it right that the compensation should be influenced by a bid from a club that he had no intention of joining, given that he's a free agent? 2) Ings offers to go to Spurs, but they withdraw their bid. In which case, why should the bid affect the fee that Liverpool should have to pay? 3) Ings joins Spurs. How much should Spurs pay to Burnley - the 12m bid or the (presumably lesser) amount ordered by the tribunal?

I also fear a situation where, say, Man U want to buy Loftus-Cheek from Chelsea (I'm assuming that he would be eligible for compensation) after his contract there runs out. He really wants to join Man U and has absolutely no interest in Liverpool, because, you know, we're awful, only got our history, not a big club etc. etc. etc. Liverpool also have no intention signing Loftus-Cheek as his wages would be too expensive. However, as Man U and Chelsea can't agree on compensation, the case looks to be going to tribunal . Liverpool therefore offer 250 million, way more than he's worth. Should that really be taken into consideration? What if Man City and Arsenal also made similar bids? Then afterwards, all could pull out.

It just seems a highly dangerous situation to accept bids made where there's no obligation to follow-through as actual market prices. It's like waste-of.time bidders on ebay.
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Why? he was still under contract at the time.
 
Gerrez said:
But it was impossible for a transfer to happen with the window not re-opening until after the contract expired.
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But it was possible for a transfer to be agreed (if all party's were amicable) as happened with many players, our own Depay is just one example.
 
Diego said:
But it was possible for a transfer to be agreed (if all party's were amicable) as happened with many players, our own Depay is just one example.
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And if all had gone well with negotiations, do you think Spurs would have paid £12m when they knew full well they could get him for a lot less...? Or do you think they were using a loop hole to enable them to speak to Ings first?
 
Diego said:
But it was possible for a transfer to be agreed (if all party's were amicable) as happened with many players, our own Depay is just one example.
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Yes, but he couldn't actually sign until the window opened (same as Ings and others). Besides which, he was still under contract wasn't he?
 
Nozzer said:
Yes, but unable to sign for Spurs as the window was shut. And, indeed, unable to sign until his contract had expired, at which point he was no longer under contract.

EDIT: So what Greez said. <ok>
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So all them transfers before the window didn't happen then, I believe United agreed a transfer for Depay ahead of some other clubs (despite the window being closed). When did Liverpool agree to sign Milner?
 
Gerrez said:
And if all had gone well with negotiations, do you think Spurs would have paid £12m when they knew full well they could get him for a lot less...? Or do you think they were using a loop hole to enable them to speak to Ings first?
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Totally irrelevant, they made a bid, it was accepted (see Sunderland and Borini), the player didn't fancy the move because he had more chance of first team football at Liverpool.
 
Diego said:
So all them transfers before the window didn't happen then, I believe United agreed a transfer for Depay ahead of some other clubs (despite the window being closed). When did Liverpool agree to sign Milner?
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June 4, to join July 1 subject to a medical. http://liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/186300-liverpool-agree-deal-to-sign-milner

In Germany you get players agreeing deals before the season's even finished, but they still can't actually move until the window's opened (otherwise the window would be pointless).
 
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Diego said:
So all them transfers before the window didn't happen then, I believe United agreed a transfer for Depay ahead of some other clubs (despite the window being closed). When did Liverpool agree to sign Milner?
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They were all agreed but didn't actually happen until the window opened. The main difference being they were all either still under contract beyond the end of June or over 24 years of age so no compensation is due.

Man Utd didn't officially sign Depay until the window opened. Same goes for Milner despite him being out of contract.
 
Diego said:
Totally irrelevant, they made a bid, it was accepted (see Sunderland and Borini), the player didn't fancy the move because he had more chance of first team football at Liverpool.
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Sorry, but what exactly are Burnley selling to Spurs in this case?

Also, if Spurs really wanted to sign the player, why weren't they talking to him instead, given that he was going to be a free agent?
 
Gerrez said:
They were all agreed but didn't actually happen until the window opened. The main difference being they were all either still under contract beyond the end of June or over 24 years of age so no compensation is due.

Man Utd didn't officially sign Depay until the window opened. Same goes for Milner despite him being out of contract.
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Correct, so if a club accepts a bid for a player who is still under contract then that bid is valid <ok>
 
Nozzer said:
Sorry, but what exactly are Burnley selling to Spurs in this case?

Also, if Spurs really wanted to sign the player, why weren't they talking to him instead, given that he was going to be a free agent?
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They were selling a contracted player. On the first of July Ings became a free agent so Burnley are now asking for compensation based on what they could have got whilst he was still under contract <ok>
 
Diego said:
Correct, so if a club accepts a bid for a player who is still under contract then that bid is valid <ok>
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Yes, but when does the transfer officially take place? And is the player still theirs to sell at that point in time?
 
Diego said:
They were selling a contracted player. On the first of July Ings became a free agent so Burnley are now asking for compensation based on what they could have got whilst he was still under contract <ok>
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When did the transfer window open...? Could Ings have moved BEFORE 1 July?
 
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