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[Super G Ted'inho]

I've said about 20 times it's 2/3rd chance.

As far as I'm concerned the minute valley came out I had no option but reveal

I'm not actually questioning you but your still being very defensive

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

He was never going to investigate someone at risk; aka he was never going to pick a lurker if that was who we were targeting for the lynch.

Plus, for you to be innocent, both Valley and MITO have to be lying and their stories fit together. No way the Mafia would take such a risk this early in the game when outnumbered so badly, they need the game to last over a week for them to win, highlighted themselves now would give themselves no chances.

This all day long for me.
They need to keep their heads down so will lurk in the shadows.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

yoooohooooo.
no one's talking about me
Please talk about me x

 

[Swarbs]

This all day long for me.
They need to keep their heads down so will lurk in the shadows.

Well, from day 1:

"Yet to vote: 666 Tash 666, BobbyD, Nobbertos salsa inferno"

We have strategy broadly sorted for tonight - lynch Tobes whilst Valley investigates MITO.

So if the meth head and schizo are around, choosing two of the above three to kill would give us a pretty good shot at possibly hitting hidden Mafia, cartel or SK. If Tobes is Mafia he probably got unlucky being investigated, and no one has really defended him, so it stands to reason that the other two Mafia are hiding and hoping to dodge suspicion.

 

[Swarbs]

yoooohooooo.
no one's talking about me
Please talk about me x

You were in the coin toss with Billy and Lucaaas at end of day one. Although you were out on your own until MITO switched votes to me in the last few minutes.

So unless MITO turns up Mafia and was protecting you, it's a safe(ish) bet you aren't Mafia.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

ACS also claimed to be drunk last night (a convenient trick) and then mixed it up between confused and lucid thoughts. One to keep an eye on IMO.

I was tipsey last night mate... really tipsey...

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

can someone investigate me please.
that will leave me clear from thereon in...

 

[Sir Tennisball]

I've said about 20 times it's 2/3rd chance.

As far as I'm concerned the minute valley came out I had no option but reveal

Mito, when Valley came out about you killing IBWT you had to reveal about the PM that said you had to kill IBWT as your family was kidnapped, we all understand that.

I don't understand why you had to reveal that you were the drunk PI though? The mafia could not know that you were, so I'm just battling to understand your logic. If it was me I would have revealed the PM about IBWT, but said nothing else. That is what I find suspicious.

If that whole episode with IBWT had not happened, and you investigated someone and it said 67% chance they're mafia, would you reveal that info or keep quiet and look for patterns? I'm sure you wouldn't reveal after just getting that info that isn't even 100% accurate...

Am I missing something?

 

[Swarbs]

Mito, when Valley came out about you killing IBWT you had to reveal about the PM that said you had to kill IBWT as your family was kidnapped, we all understand that.

I don't understand why you had to reveal that you were the drunk PI though? The mafia could not know that you were, so I'm just battling to understand your logic. If it was me I would have revealed the PM about IBWT, but said nothing else. That is what I find suspicious.

If that whole episode with IBWT had not happened, and you investigated someone and it said 67% chance they're mafia, would you reveal that info or keep quiet and look for patterns? I'm sure you wouldn't reveal after just getting that info that isn't even 100% accurate...

Am I missing something?

This concerns me too. The risk is that MITO is trying to make the real PI identify themselves so his Mafia buddies can kill them.

 

[Brian Storm]

Well, from day 1:

"Yet to vote: 666 Tash 666, BobbyD, Nobbertos salsa inferno"

We have strategy broadly sorted for tonight - lynch Tobes whilst Valley investigates MITO.

So if the meth head and schizo are around, choosing two of the above three to kill would give us a pretty good shot at possibly hitting hidden Mafia, cartel or SK. If Tobes is Mafia he probably got unlucky being investigated, and no one has really defended him, so it stands to reason that the other two Mafia are hiding and hoping to dodge suspicion.

Still I'm not convinced about this extra piece of info Valley got though. Are there hidden actions we don't know about? Acording to the rules his investigation as Physic only returns a straight town/non town answer. Why hasn't he explained why he's got this extra info? @ValleyGraduate12?

I also find it hard to comprehend that if The Mafia had a hidden action of town person manipulation, why they'd use it first night, a tool much better used later to deflect attentions. Not convinced by Mito's story at all. It's easy for him to say that he's the Drunk PI and must be true because nobody else has claimed the role, but we've just lost a doctor who didn't contribute at all.

The heat is on the right people though and it should unravel it self. I'll stick with Tobes.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

This concerns me too. The risk is that MITO is trying to make the real PI identify themselves so his Mafia buddies can kill them.

He he felt he needed to throw that in the convince people to believe him?

If he is telling the truth, will Mafia target him? Or will they leave the uncertainty for us to ponder endlessly still?

 

[Sir Tennisball]

The other really suspicious thing about Mito is this:

Let's say you are an innocent drunk PI. You get a PM that says you were forced to kill IBWT for the mafia. Surely this sets off huge warning alarms that this is the mafia's secret power and you tell the town about it asap? You don't keep quiet about it... And you can't say you're not allowed to reveal the info as you already have.

I was leaning towards you being town but this is the kicker for me, I really think mito is mafia now. If mafia forced you to kill you should have told us IMMEDIATELY, not waited for Valley to implicate you.

I say we lynch tobes tonight and mito tomorrow night. We could get one of the killing roles to kill me and prove that I'm innocent but it's still not conclusive as mito covered himself by saying all along there's a 33% chance I'm innocent.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

you all have to decide that.

i have said that i feel a one for one exchange here is good for the town.

I felt valley had set up a tobes v mito vote and when people have that they are inclined to have a tie.. its been mentioned how many times last night.
I felt there was a possibility i had one of mafia and valley had one of the other 3 bad guys, a number that includes the cartel boss. this is seriously a big deal IMO.

I felt i had information to share and the very best way to do it was to come right out and say it.

What i have done is reveal everything and give every assistance i can to the town. i've not blustered that it must be right or i must be the town drunk. I have said you guys have to decide

If you think i am lying then my challenge stands. the meth head should kill me.

tobes is either mafia or cartel IMO as it stands. nobody has claimed valleys role. We don't know of any hidden rules right now so we can twist up about those or just play it like we see it.

Sir tennis is 2/3rds likely to be mafia. that casts a doubt so i'd encourage everyone to go read very very hard what he is saying. you all can decide

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[Super G Ted'inho]

Still I'm not convinced about this extra piece of info Valley got though. Are there hidden actions we don't know about? Acording to the rules his investigation as Physic only returns a straight town/non town answer. Why hasn't he explained why he's got this extra info? @ValleyGraduate12?

I also find it hard to comprehend that if The Mafia had a hidden action of town person manipulation, why they'd use it first night, a tool much better used later to deflect attentions. Not convinced by Mito's story at all. It's easy for him to say that he's the Drunk PI and must be true because nobody else has claimed the role, but we've just lost a doctor who didn't contribute at all.

The heat is on the right people though and it should unravel it self. I'll stick with Tobes.

Something I've already highlighted, maybe he can't say what he wants to? Maybe he is being restricted by Mafia influence?

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

The other really suspicious thing about Mito is this:

Let's say you are an innocent drunk PI. You get a PM that says you were forced to kill IBWT for the mafia. Surely this sets off huge warning alarms that this is the mafia's secret power and you tell the town about it asap? You don't keep quiet about it... And you can't say you're not allowed to reveal the info as you already have.

I was leaning towards you being town but this is the kicker for me, I really think mito is mafia now. If mafia forced you to kill you should have told us IMMEDIATELY, not waited for Valley to implicate you.

I say we lynch tobes tonight and mito tomorrow night. Get one of the killing roles to kill me and prove that I'm innocent but it's still not conclusive as mito covered himself by saying all along there's a 33% chance I'm innocent.

MITO didn't exactly hang about with his revelations. Yes, he was pushed by Valley but he made his announcement within an hour of daybreak.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The other really suspicious thing about Mito is this:

Let's say you are an innocent drunk PI. You get a PM that says you were forced to kill IBWT for the mafia. Surely this sets off huge warning alarms that this is the mafia's secret power and you tell the town about it asap? You don't keep quiet about it... And you can't say you're not allowed to reveal the info as you already have.

I was leaning towards you being town but this is the kicker for me, I really think mito is mafia now. If mafia forced you to kill you should have told us IMMEDIATELY, not waited for Valley to implicate you.

I say we lynch tobes tonight and mito tomorrow night. Get one of the killing roles to kill me and prove that I'm innocent but it's still not conclusive as mito covered himself by saying all along there's a 33% chance I'm innocent.

this is quite simple really. the pms came in at different times. its really that simple. as you've gone on you've got more and more accusitory towards me so my view is you are gambling the killing roles won't off you.

what you are saying is basically not holding up

why?

1. until valley told everyone i was hidden wasn't i? i got two pms one with your info and another with the kill info.

2. once valley revealed i went and read back all the rules and copied and pasted the sections and did a long note setting out what i know. A WHOLE 20mins.. thats all... you think i instantly saw valleys note? that i ran off to consult the mafia board? everyone go to my post and tell me i put it together in a minute.

3. you've turned from saying you are no role town so it won't matter to I'm mafia and must die. pretty hsortly i am sure it'll be lets get him up there with tobes lads we can't trust any of it. I'm hoping bodanki's vote is him fishing and seeing who'll go for me today

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

MITO didn't exactly hang about with his revelations. Yes, he was pushed by Valley but he made his announcement within an hour of daybreak.

Something I've already highlighted, maybe he can't say what he wants to? Maybe he is being restricted by Mafia influence?

or the very simplest of all explainations.. he's at work. we know from prior games he works as teacher..

I'd say you all have to wait for hi mto post and avoid going off on a tangent.

I'm here so grill me..

 

[Tobes]

I'm dead meat so I might as well cough before being strung up.

I'm not town.

Neither am I mafia

I'm Pablo.

I picked IBWT to join the cartel but mito killed the ****er.

The cartel was never going to win anyway, as it had no kills and it would have taken a week plus by my reckoning to get into a winning position, I was always going to get lynched or investigated at some point before then, so I was never going to win anyway.

Lynch away.

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

or the very simplest of all explainations.. he's at work. we know from prior games he works as teacher..

I'd say you all have to wait for hi mto post and avoid going off on a tangent.

I'm here so grill me..

I was talking about last night when he repeatedly said the same thing over and over

 

[Super G Ted'inho]

I'm dead meat so I might as well cough before being strung up.

I'm not town.

Neither am I mafia

I'm Pablo.

I picked IBWT to join the cartel but mito killed the ****er.

The cartel was never going to win anyway, as it had no kills and it would have taken a week plus by my reckoning to get into a winning position, I was always going to get lynched or investigated at some point before then, so I was never going to win anyway.

Lynch away.

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